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May 26, 2006
Gunfire In Capitol Complex
Shots were reported in the Rayburn House Office Building garage but the perp has yet to be located:
WASHINGTON -- Police investigated reports of gunfire in a House office building on Friday and sealed off the Capitol as a precaution. Police said there were no immediate injuries or arrests."The report is that shots were fired" at 10:30 a.m. EDT in the garage of the Rayburn House Office Building, said Capitol Police spokeswoman Sgt. Kimberly Schneider.
"We have not gotten any reports of anybody being captured, anybody being arrested." She also said there were no reports of injuries.
On high alert, police lined the street between the Capitol and the Rayburn building, rifles prominently displayed, and four ambulances were on standby outside the office structure.
Schneider said the search and police deployment was triggered by one telephone call from an unidentified individual.
The Senate was in session at the time, but the House was not as most lawmakers had left for the Memorial Day recess.
Someone pissed about Senate "immigration reform" perhaps?
Posted by Steve at May 26, 2006 12:44 PM
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"WASHINGTON -- Police investigated reports of gunfire in a House office building on Friday"
Woh, woh woh! This is outrageous! This is clearly a seperation of powers violation. The police need to get out of that building right now and turn over any evidence they've recovered to the Senate Investigations Commitee.
The legislative is a co-equal branch of government. It must protect itself from gunfire.
Posted by MJohnson
at May 26, 2006 12:52 PM
Have you conservative rats heard about the Haditha massacre commited by your marines? The bastards tried to cover it up, but this time that didn't work! Your boys killed innocent women and children in cold blood, a three year old girl was shot point blank by a US marine. How does that feel you fucking fascist bastards? This is Iraq's My Lai! Marines don't have any respect for Iraqi's, the raid their homes, steal things, urinate on people's belongings, curse at ordinary Iraqi's and sometimes kill or rape Iraqi citizens, but now they murdered dozens of unharmed Iraqi civilians. I hope those marines die a horrific death. I hope they will be blown to little pieces!!
Posted by poppie
at May 27, 2006 07:56 PM
Posted by Radical Redneck
at May 28, 2006 10:18 AM
Have you conservative rats heard about the Haditha massacre commited by your marines?
You mean the one that is still under investigation by the military? Yes, I have heard of it. If it is true, and I doubt it is, then the perpetrators will be punished. Maybe they can get 5 years probation like that guy that raped a 12 year old.
The bastards tried to cover it up, but this time that didn't work! Your boys killed innocent women and children in cold blood, a three year old girl was shot point blank by a US marine.
Got any proof of your allegations? I mean eyewitnesses, documentation, perhaps confessions from Marines that were there? If not, all you have is the usual arabs making up stories to protest the occupation of Iraq.
How does that feel you fucking fascist bastards? This is Iraq's My Lai!
Personally, I don't feel much about it. I have a low opinion of humans to begin with and people like yourself don't help much.
Marines don't have any respect for Iraqi's, the raid their homes, steal things, urinate on people's belongings, curse at ordinary Iraqi's and sometimes kill or rape Iraqi citizens, but now they murdered dozens of unharmed Iraqi civilians. I hope those marines die a horrific death. I hope they will be blown to little pieces!!
Again, get some proof, I am tired of hearing foreign pieces of crap make wild claims about the US military. I suppose you belive that jason macbeth really was a Ranger and commited war crimes too.
Posted by Deathknyte
at May 28, 2006 03:17 PM
Deathknyte you're the kind of guy who doesn't give a shit about justice and truth. I bet if you were a member of that platoon you would have done your best to cover the massacre up as well. All conservative rats are like that. Dishonest and not at all intrested in justice being done.
Why are you comparing the massacre of dozens of innocent people to the rape of a 12year old girl? I am not a left-wing softie. That rapist should get death penalty, like those marines. Kill the bastards, especially the babykiller who shot the three year old girl. How can you do a thing like that? Aim your rifle at a three year old girl and pull the fucking trigger?
You stupid redneck cocksucker. I don't have the proof in my possession. There was an investigation, finally, after they first tried to cover up the killings, there's lots of evidence otherwise this wouldn't even be an issue. See, that's what's so different about this incident and the rapes and killings US forces commit on a daily bases that can't be proven. More will come to the surface though. The longer you stay in Iraq, the crazier those soldiers will become and the more violent and horrific crimes they will commit!
Proof is abudant you sick bastard and if others, especially the Iraqi's themselves would have been allowed to investigate this crime in their OWN country it could have come out sooner, but you're not giving them permission to investigate anything. This whole thing was brought out in the open by US journalists and that's how the US marinecorps was forced to start an investigation. They have all the evidence that proves something went terrible wrong in Haditha last November. Thank God for Time Magazine!
Posted by poppie
at May 28, 2006 05:37 PM
Deathknyte you're the kind of guy who doesn't give a shit about justice and truth. I bet if you were a member of that platoon you would have done your best to cover the massacre up as well. All conservative rats are like that. Dishonest and not at all intrested in justice being done.
Actually, no, I would have refused to obey any illegal order. A massacre of civilians/prisoners is definatly against regulations. I am interested in justice being done, however, I am not interested in punishing people for something they did not do. Innocent until proven guilty, you know.
Why are you comparing the massacre of dozens of innocent people to the rape of a 12year old girl? I am not a left-wing softie. That rapist should get death penalty, like those marines. Kill the bastards, especially the babykiller who shot the three year old girl. How can you do a thing like that? Aim your rifle at a three year old girl and pull the fucking trigger?
Unlike the child molester, it has yet to be proven that ANY marine has commited a crime. Why don't you ask the muslims what its like to murder women and children? I am sure the palistinians would be more than happy to share thier experience.
You stupid redneck cocksucker. I don't have the proof in my possession. There was an investigation, finally, after they first tried to cover up the killings, there's lots of evidence otherwise this wouldn't even be an issue. See, that's what's so different about this incident and the rapes and killings US forces commit on a daily bases that can't be proven. More will come to the surface though. The longer you stay in Iraq, the crazier those soldiers will become and the more violent and horrific crimes they will commit!
And yet, you have NO proof. Where is the evidence? US military personell are highly trained professionals, no way they could hide daily massacres of civilians, the press would get wind of it in less than a day and then they would never be quiet again. Remember Abu Gharib? The troops who commited those crimes were under investigation MONTHS before the press decided to make it their "Beat Bush" masterpiece.
So far, all you have givin is arab talking points and eurotrash insults.
Proof is abudant you sick bastard and if others, especially the Iraqi's themselves would have been allowed to investigate this crime in their OWN country it could have come out sooner, but you're not giving them permission to investigate anything. This whole thing was brought out in the open by US journalists and that's how the US marinecorps was forced to start an investigation. They have all the evidence that proves something went terrible wrong in Haditha last November. Thank God for Time Magazine!
US journalists are only interested in trying to find ways to make everything Bush's fault. Time is about as accurate as newsweek, remember how they claimed an entire koran was flushed down the toilet? The mainstream media is a laughing stock over here, we make jokes about how stupid they are. Almost as stupid as foreigners who belive everything they are told. Again, if they had real proof they would be trumpeting 24/7. I think all they have is smoke and mirrors. Oh, and who says we have to give the Iraqis permission to do as they will? In case you have not noticed, they have thier own government and are rapidly building thier own security forces. If the Iraqis thought thier might be some truth to the claims of massacre I am sure they would look into it.
Posted by Deathknyte
at May 29, 2006 07:25 AM
poppie, I agree, this really sucks!
Not enough of them died.
Posted by Radical Redneck
at May 29, 2006 10:27 PM
Actually, CNN is reporting that Marines did, indeed, kill a number of innocent Iraqi's in retaliation for one of their own being killed by an IED. A formal court martial is likely to begin in June. CNN also quotes a military source indicating that there was a cover-up however the source was unsure as to how deep the cover-up went. If these men are tried and convicted of murder then I would personally turn them over to Iraqi authorities and wash my hands of it. I love my country and my servicemen, but soldiers who commit crimes like this make Iraq more dangerous for every other serviceman deployed there. I wonder where Steve & Co will stand on "coddling" these criminals... assuming, of course, that they are convicted.
Posted by Johnny New Englander
at May 30, 2006 10:24 AM
Posted by Radical Redneck
at May 30, 2006 10:04 PM
It's not just CNN who reported the massacre of Haditha. A lot of newspapers like the New York Times, LA Times and Washington Post mentioned it as well.
Deathknyte, journalists look for the truth and for a good story, I admit, but what are you actually saying? Journalists shouldn't write about crimes commited by US troops because that could hurt Bush' position? You can't be serious! However I am affraid that is actually what you're asking for.
I think you can better ask the Israeli's what it's like to kill women and children. The Palestinians might be good at killing, at least that's what you suggest, but in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict about four times as much Palestinian women and children were killed by Israeli gunfire, bombs and violence than vica versa.
It won't be long now before we get all the results surrounding the Haditha massacre. I am sure they're looking for a way and a time to bring it out in the open. This is a scandal, but they want to contain it as much as possible. A marine was interviewed by the LA times. He told he was ordered to make photo's of the dead civilians for other marines. He still has nightmares. Why did those marines want photo's? I tell you why. They were proud on their killings. The animal which killed the three year old girl wanted to keep a photo of the dead girl as a trophy. That is your marine corps, fucking babykillers!!
I've discussed the Haditha massacre in class today. It's all over the news in Europe as well. All European children should learn what the American armed forces stand for and what they're capable of. They kill, torture, humilate, rape and abuse Iraqi's. They're not in Iraq to spread democracy. The US wants a democracy it can control. If by any chance a party wins elections and doesn't have the approval of the US, it will be boycotted. It's like that in Palestine where Hamas won fair elections and it will be like that in Iraq. What kind of democracy is that? You can choose anyone you like as long as you choose the party we want you to choose..
Posted by poppie
at May 31, 2006 09:22 AM
Interesting point of view.
It turns out the loud popping noises were probably machinery being used on new construction in the building.
I wouldn't waste time bickering with poppie. It is a complete waste of time. It isn't about Haditha, it isn't about any one thing or even a summation of things. It isn't about objective reality. Poppies brand of beleif disputes the reality of objective reality. It's about being fundementally opposed to the US and western values as the de-facto definition of evil incarnate.
Perhaps a more productive use would be to examine the root causes of his mental derision. One thing is certain, it will take far more then mere logic posted on the internet to fix his head and put Mr. Dumpty back together again.
I read this recently, and found it to be rather thought provoking. It also provides a valid thesis for why derranged moonbats define themselves by being in opposition to the Great Satan.
http://www.hudson.org/files/publications/Ceaser2006BradleySymposium.pdf
Posted by MJohnson
at May 31, 2006 10:07 AM
JNE,
There is something profoundly discomforting about handing over US citizens (servicemen serving abroad, no less) to the wiles of foreign law and punishment systems. Almost reguardless of what they may have done.
What CNN reports aside, there are a plethora of potentially mitigating factors that can be imagined to be possible here. The investigation is not yet complete, and CNN cannot give us the whole truth, no matter if it claims it can or not...
I would wait before making any such suggestions. I want to see what the actual events were and what truly happened.
But if the worst happened, I am still profoundly uncomfortable with that idea. But uncomfortability aside, on a matter of principle, I wouldn't oppose them being given to the Iraqi authorities to deal with appropriately. It would certainly send the correct message...several correct messages actually. It still feels dirty and bad to do that to soldiers though.
But then again, if the WORST case scenario is what ends up being true....which I have a hard time beleiving, then they should probably be executed, in which case it doesn't matter to me at all who does it to them.
Posted by MJohnson
at May 31, 2006 11:05 AM
Johnson, you wouldn't waste time on people critizing the US, would you? That is exactly your problem. It is also that problem which causes George Bush to loose support abroad for his policies. The arrogance and agressive approach of his government is making the rest of the world dislike or even hate the US.
Western values are not US values at this moment. Western values are about human rights; locking people up after they had a trial, not torturing people, not fighting imperialistic wars, separation between church and state, not spying on your own citizens. Don't talk to me about western values Johnson, you stupid fuck. You don't know what western values are. I will defend them with my last bit of strength. Johnson's the one who doesn't care about them.
What is intresting to me though - and it should be studied better in the future - is why so many Americans can't understand why the US is so unpopular currently. It really is amazing. It is so clear to the rest of us, but you don't seem to get it. You're an object for science MJ, let us Europeans study you in order to find out what's wrong with YOU and why it is so hard for YOU to understand this world is fed up with arrogant, unilateral and agressive US policy.
Posted by poppie
at May 31, 2006 11:07 AM
Johnson, your last comment was the first comment you made here on PME which actually made some sense..
unfortunally your views are not shared by your government. They are against international law or handing over Americans to foreign countries and US soldiers being kept by the ICC will be freed by any means necessary. Congress even passed an act which made an invasion of my country, since the ICC is located there, legal under US law. That bill is called the "The Hague Invasion Act" (in popular speech).
No, what they do is give a show trial in the US, lock the warcriminals up for some time and than give them house arrest for a year or three. That is what happened to lt. Calley who was the commanding officer at My Lai where hundreds of Vietnamese civilians were raped, tortured and murdered by American troops. That should be prove your soldiers are capable of commiting horific crimes even though they are, as many of you here say, trained and well motivated professionals..
Posted by poppie
at May 31, 2006 11:18 AM
"The arrogance and agressive approach of his government is making the rest of the world dislike or even hate the US. "
That's nice.
"this world is fed up with arrogant, unilateral and agressive US policy. "
Whacha gonna do about it, punk? You feelin lucky?
Posted by MJohnson
at May 31, 2006 02:19 PM
Seriously, what I want to know is if you agree with me anti-americanism in this world has grown to new hights during the Bush administration or not. Do you think I am joking? Do you think I am wrong about this? We're talking facts here you arrogant fuckface. I think you know that. That means you just don't care. You're comfortable in your role of imperialistic cowboy. What you can't see is this is turning against you and you complain about anti-Americanism like a little baby. "Why do they hate us, we're so good for them.." It's time you start using what little brain you have and figure out why we dislike you because your time is running out!
Posted by poppie
at May 31, 2006 04:43 PM
"Do you think I am joking? Do you think I am wrong about this? We're talking facts here you arrogant fuckface."
No, I just don't care.
Aren't you being repetitive? I don't think your joking. I don't think it's worth my time to even disagree, because it really doesn't matter.
What the bloody hell made you think we arrogant, unilateral aggressive Americans gave a rats ass what your pissant little country with a dimestore economy, an 8 man army, and a death-spiral of demographics thinks about us? Aren't we aggressive, arrogant, and unilateral? If so, we don't give a shit.
I definetly don't give a shit.
Hey poppie, I hate your country. I think you leftists are insane. And I've had enough of your hypocrasy and condescension from a bunch of mewling mealy-mouthed ingrate sheep.
Do you understand that? Do you GET it? I don't like you. I don't like your country. I want you to change it, now.
Something tells me the dutch aren't going to change thier country just because Americans want them to...Nor will Americans change because of some loudmouthed twit of a woodenshoe.
We don't give a shit what you think.
The whole POINT of creating America was the get the hell away from you and your ilk.
The big difference is in 20 years, we will still be here not giving a shit what you think, whereas your country will be a part of Dar Al-Islam, and the Dutch will have long fled it for the safety of Canada where, ironically, they will get blown up by suicide bombers anyway.
Posted by MJohnson
at May 31, 2006 05:57 PM
"It's time you start using what little brain you have and figure out why we dislike you because your time is running out!"
Been there, heard that.
Come get some.
Posted by MJohnson
at May 31, 2006 05:58 PM
MJ, I'd go even further: the fact that effite, androgynous, hermaphrodite Euroshits don't like what we're doing convinces me more than ever it's just right. If these anachronistic dodo birds thought we were right, we'd be doomed just like tham.
Fuck them and their insignificant so-called countries.
If you missed it, this is the future of the dutch. One way to combine the natives and the I-Slams.
Posted by Radical Redneck
at May 31, 2006 06:54 PM
Don't make the mistake it's just The Netherlands or Europe disliking you MJ. In fact we're still allies, Europe's the one closest to you (except of course for Israel). No, it's the rest of the world that hates you even more, most Latin-Americans, Arabs, Asians and Africans have a very negative opinion about your county. That means billions of people all over the world!!
In 20 years from now the European Union will be stronger and society will have probably found a way to deal with current tensions. On the other hand, 20 years from now the burden of carrying your national debt will be so heavy your country will sink into the ocean.
Your opinion about Islam is obviously negative. I believe all you right wingers share the same attitude towards Islam and it is for that reason I believe George Bush' adventure in the Middle East is - among imperialistic reasons - also a crusade against muslims and Islam in general. Hundred of thousands of Americans travel abroad every year to spread Christianity all over the world. The fuckin bastards especially travel to poor regions because it's easier to convert people there (if you offer them food and money in return).
My whole point is you're not alone on this planet. Why are you acting like the bully? The asshole in any group, the one not listening to others, doing as he pleases, the one who will finally loose all his friends because of his own behaviour.. Tell me, WHY? Unlike you I don't hate your country, I hate certain people inside your country and I hope they will loose power soon! You don't understand this world and the people living on it. You're so America oriented. I pity you. You probably can't even point Asia or Africa on a map.
Posted by poppie
at June 1, 2006 02:13 AM
Bwahahahaha! Oh you are truly detatched from this thing we call 'reality'.
Don't make me repeat myself, poppie.
You claim to have balls, so present them. Come get some.
"Why are you acting like the bully? The asshole in any group, the one not listening to others, doing as he pleases"
We're being true to our nature. Whatchya gonna do about it?
Sanction us???
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Posted by MJohnson
at June 1, 2006 08:22 AM
"You claim to have balls, so present them.."
Are you a homosexual? Why should I present my balls to you? Are you nuts!
I heard from now on your marines will get values training before they're shipped off to Iraq. Apparently nobody told them it wasn't allowed to shoot helpless three year old girls in the head. Now they will get training and hopefully they will understand human beings don't do things like that. See, you are making an effort to change your nature. You're moving up in the world. Perhaps someday Americans will even become civilized people!
You're real tough aren't you cowboy, with your tough language and all, none of us can predict the future, but I think your power is fading. I also believe you're going to loose your imperialistic war in Iraq. That will be another trauma to cope with after Vietnam. Seriously, as a historian the similarities between the two wars are stunning. Iraq is Vietnam, only on a smaller scale. Fuck you and all people like you Mister Johnson.
Posted by poppie
at June 1, 2006 10:25 AM
"I heard from now on your marines will get values training before they're shipped off to Iraq."
Yes, but not the sort of values you think. We're still evil, remember.
They're going to get trained by the United Nations, so instead of shooting the 3 year old girls they'll rape them, like they do in Africa.
They're also going to get trained by the Dutch army, so instead of commiting war crimes, they'll surrender and run away from them, like they did in Africa.
Posted by MJohnson
at June 1, 2006 10:48 AM
"You're real tough aren't you cowboy"
Yes. I am. And that's why we're the hyperpower, and you're a vacation spot for potheads and pedophiles, and there isn't shit you can do about it. Because you're not tough, you're the loser, and we're the winner. You suck. The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
You'll suffer whatever the hell we make you suffer because you have no other choice.
"but I think your power is fading."
And I think you're fun. A little silly, but you make me laugh. Test your gates poppie. Which way do people run when you throw them open? You're country has net emmigration, and my country is worried that even if we build a wall they'll just tunnel under it to get in.
Eunichs don't often appear very threatening to most men, and that's why they're allowed to be servants and jesters instead of being put to the sword.
Don't like it? Too bad.
As a scholar of Vietnam, perhaps you are familiar with the phrase: Cum gyet sum? OohRah.
Posted by MJohnson
at June 1, 2006 11:03 AM
A history lesson for Johnson:
UN soldiers in Africa NEVER raped three year old girls. If you can find prove of the opposite show me! If rapes occured in Africa by UN soldiers those soldiers probably came from non-western countries, meaning western countries were not intrested in missions in Africa (like always). The lack of discipline of those soldiers is even worse than in your army, so rapes probably occured, but the West should better blame itself for that instead of the UN who actually tried to do something for Africans in need.
Apart from the fact it is highly unlikely the UN or Dutch soldiers will ever train US soldiers (Americans are much to arrogant to let anyone train them), Dutch soldiers never ran away in Africa. They ran away in Bosnia! You know why they ran away? Because they didn't have any weapons to defend themselves, let alone the people they were supposed to protect. They were outnumbered 20 to 1 and stronger allies like the US knew the Serbs wanted to take over the safe haven Srebrenica and didn't inform us about that. The US wanted to get ride of the safe havens all together (of course you didn't know the Serbs would massacre all those people, but you did know they were planning an attack and you didn't tell us). When the Serb invasion took place we hold our ground for a few days, but we were not supported by allies like the US. No bombardments were carried out and Dutch soldiers withdrew from Srebrenica. You let us done in Bosnia!
Posted by poppie
at June 1, 2006 11:10 AM
By the way, your remark about the Dutch training or advising the US military isn't all that crazy.
If you like read this article in Military Review:
http://usacac.leavenworth.army.mil/CAC/milreview/English/MarApr06/Gooren.pdf
Although this magazine is published by the US Military it is a fairly non-biased magazine and I like to read it every now and than.
Posted by poppie
at June 1, 2006 11:18 AM
Oh no! You've been undone! The jig is up! Run, run away!
"but the West should better blame itself for that"
So much for "pro-west"!
"You know why they ran away? Because they didn't have any weapons to defend themselves, let alone the people they were supposed to protect."
OMG! SCARY! I'm so scared. You're going to come over here and stop our imperialism and teach us a lesson with no guns?!?!?
LOFL.
A fighting force to be recogned with, you are. Recogned with by peasants with pitchforks maybe.
I KNOW! I KNOW! I shouldn't condescend. Those pitchforks are friggin POINTY! Man they hurt! Scary stuff, pitch forks. Especially when you're all hopped on heroin to begin with.
Posted by MJohnson
at June 1, 2006 11:32 AM
PS.
Oh sorry, that was the Belgian army that turned tail and ran whimpering full speed from Rwanda at the first sign of scary pointy machete violence.
All your incompitent corrupt pissant "armies" over there are hard to differentiate from one another (or to differentiate from juvenile Chicago street gangs, for that matter).
Perhaps the Latin Kings will also become a world power that will "show" the US why it can't be a unilateralist warmonger. I think they have more guns then the Dutch army do, at any rate.
But then again...So do I. That's not really saying much.
Posted by MJohnson
at June 1, 2006 11:48 AM
but the West should better blame itself for that instead of the UN who actually tried to do something for Africans in need.
Yes, they needed to get raped. Fascist US didn't oblige but the august, benevolent UN did. Hoo-rah!
it is highly unlikely the UN or Dutch soldiers will ever train US soldiers (Americans are much to arrogant to let anyone train them
Now that is funny! What could your kind possibly teach us? How to fuck pigs? How to suck raghead dick? How to put tulips in guns?
but you did know they were planning an attack and you didn't tell us). When the Serb invasion took place we hold our ground for a few days, but we were not supported by allies like the US. No bombardments were carried out and Dutch soldiers withdrew from Srebrenica. You let us done in Bosnia!
So you finally figured it out. We don't like you. We will take your backwater country out (we will send in the non-homo'ed Boy Scouts). We need more space (Gitmo is filling up) and my President Bush has decided your homeland will do just fine as a huge prison camp (since the towelheads are already there).
Posted by Radical Redneck
at June 1, 2006 12:02 PM
I hadn't even realised "UN forces" commanded by euroweenies ALSO stood down without a fight and became privy to genocide in Bosnia as well.
I'll toss that factoid on the heaping mound. If nothing else...you guys sure are consistent.
"You let us done in Bosnia!"
Waaaaaaahh! Waaaaaaah! The US didn't make it all better for us! Waaaaah! They didn't help us!
"It's time you start using what little brain you have and figure out why we dislike you because your time is running out!"
Dipshit! Get used to it. Arrogant ass dutch, fight your own battles you pussies. Brace yourselves for more retreat and genocide in the future. The US isn't going to act unilaterally to save your asses anymore, and that means you're out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Posted by MJohnson
at June 1, 2006 12:10 PM
Your country isn't as tough on immigrants as mine. That is - or probably was - a good thing about the US. We need immigrants, but right now we have the toughest immigrantions laws in the world and I believe that is not a smart policy. People usually migrate to place where they can have a better life. The West in general could provide that better life.
You're a scholar of Vietnam? I seriously doubt that. You're bluffing, like you do about so many other issues.
You're right, it were the Belgians who withdraw from Rwanda. Right after the Americans made it clear nobody should intervene in Rwanda to stop the genocide which was going on there. There was nothing in Rwanda except for Hutu's killing Tutsi's, no oil, no resources, why should Uncle Sam get involved if there was nothing to gain except uphold certain human values.
The funny thing is your powerful army is having a hard time defeating a few thousand heroic rebels in Iraq. Every day US soldiers are being blown up or shot at and in the end you will loose, yet you actually think you can fight us Europeans and win? You can nuke us and we can nuke you, but you won't be able to conquer us. If you think you can fight us Europeans and win while you can't even win in a tiny country like Iraq you are one crazy redneck cocksucker!
Posted by poppie
at June 1, 2006 12:29 PM
Poppie, can you say Vasalam Ala Man Ataba'al hoda?
It's going to become very relevant in your country very soon.
And Uncle Sam isn't going to save you again.
Posted by MJohnson
at June 1, 2006 12:45 PM
Jesus, My God, is this you Johnson? You actually know a few words in another language!! I will make sure the newspapers pay attention to this fact tomorrow!! Do you actually know what you've just said? Because I don't and I study Arabic and since I am probably a dumb Euroweener, would you please be so kind to translate your phrase for me. By the way, do you know more words?? I almost fell of my chair bro!
Posted by poppie
at June 1, 2006 01:08 PM
Si poppie, y hablo un poquito espanol tambien. Pero mi gramitica es muy mal y debes habla mas despacio. No lo se si hablas tambien, porque tu eres un muy stupido euroweenie, - en realidad - pero es no importa. Me burlo ti.
Chupar de los cojones, pendejo holandes.
Posted by MJohnson
at June 1, 2006 06:30 PM
OH MY GOD! Poppie was right!
Posted by MJohnson
at June 1, 2006 09:23 PM
MJ, you're loosing your style. Your comments are beginning to look like Radical Rednecks comments. Not a good development buddy! Do something about that!
Anyway, cursing isn't that hard in any language. How long did it take you to puzzle that Spanish phrase together? Did you buy a dictionary for the occasion? I like your Arabic better. Would you please talk Arabic to me one more time..
Iraq is NOT becoming a quagmire, it ALREADY is a quagmire. Deny it all you want, but you're a smart fellow, you know it is! You know there's a good chance you're going to loose this war!
I leave you with one last remark. Go watch the new documentary about your gulag Guantanomo Bay, it's called The Road to Guantanomo. I really wonder how you feel about the place after you've seen this documentary.
Posted by poppie
at June 2, 2006 09:57 AM
By the way, the Haditha massacre isn't brought out in the open yet, but new accusations of US troops killing Iraqi civilians have been made in the town of Ishaqi, 6o kilometers north of Baghdad. The US military says the incident is under investigation as well. Man, you're marines are bloodthirsty monsters out for blood. They enjoy killing babies, fucking babykillers!!!! How can anyone enjoy killing children? You have to be a US marine to enjoy that!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5039420.stm
Posted by poppie
at June 2, 2006 10:05 AM
"You know there's a good chance you're going to loose this war!"
There's a good chance one loses any given war. There's also a good chance I'll get run over by a drunk driver before I finish this post. We'll see.
I will say 'I told you so', though. Don't mistake me for being modest.
"I really wonder how you feel about the place after you've seen this documentary."
I ♥ Gitmo!
"MJ, you're loosing your style."
Aww, don't worry poppie, I haven't lost it, I just haven't employed it. Like I said, time is valuable. I won't waste it on you, I've allready stated how futile I find that to be.
Like I said, me burlo ti. ?No comprende? No es importa.
Posted by MJohnson
at June 2, 2006 10:13 AM
Please watch these photo's, I fucking demand you watch them! Man, the anger I feel is so big. I HATE the US military. Look what they did to these children, they shot them point blank in the head! The guys who did this should be tortured to death and I would really pay a large sum of money to torture them! I would have so much fun doing that!!
http://www.chris-floyd.com/march/
Posted by poppie
at June 2, 2006 10:18 AM
?Como se dice euroweenie en espanol?
Posted by MJohnson
at June 2, 2006 10:19 AM
Je ne parle pas espanol senor Johnson, mais je parle francais. Je sais, tu n'aime pas la France, mais ce n'est pas important. Tu dois ecrire le website ici:
http://www.chris-floyd.com/march/
Er zullen weinig Nederlanders zijn die schrijven, maar als ze dit lezen, geloof me dan, die Johnson is echt een ongelooflijke sukkel. Echt een rechtse klootzak van hier tokio!!
اللة اكبر
الﻫولندا احصن من امريكا
بوش مطرفكر كبير
Posted by poppie
at June 2, 2006 11:15 AM
Would you please talk Arabic to me one more time..
Oooooh baby, it looks like our bike helmet wearing crackpot is in love. Ahhhh, how sweet. MJ, you looking to make money? Poopie already said he will spend large sums of money for his new dominant.
Poopie I know your 2" goes to full mast when hearing Arabic. That Al-Zarqawi is such a hunk! If only he's let you wear his turban. Just to pull his trigger one more time. Sigh.
But never fear, you will hear nothing but Arabic really soon. When you are geting a bayonet up the ass for the "heroic rebels" amusement, you will be ordered in Arabic. When we put you in Gitmo, we'll make sure you have a big, groovy cellmate called Muhammed
Posted by Radical Redneck
at June 2, 2006 11:16 AM
Hey, Poppie-darling! Why don't you put your money where your cock-holster is and do something about it? Like go join your beloved jihadis and strap on a bomb belt. Come on, do it for Allah! I heard they are running out of virgins in his great bordello in the sky, so your tender lily-white behind would come in quite handy. Hey, I'll even pay for the Semtex and a one-way ticket, since I doubt your welfare check would cover it. Come on, kid, show what you've got. Blow yourself up. Because otherwise, I think you are all bark and no bite, little pussy!
Posted by Princess Natasha
at June 2, 2006 11:45 AM
And, sweetie-poopie-pie, before you start whining about how "all American broads are whores", since it is the only answer you seem to have memorized, let me remind you that your mother's job is not an insult. Her job may be despised by many, but she is putting food on the table, and dope in your pipe. As to the other version of your canned "retorts" concerning my being hostile? I AM hostile, toward you. I hate little pissant punks like you, and tormenting such maggots is a source of endless amusement. It's no secret, really. I enjoy watching you throw tantrums and cry. For that, I thank you, darling!
Posted by Princess Natasha
at June 2, 2006 11:56 AM
There are a number of people living in the Netherlands whose surname is Poepjes, which translated into English means "little pieces of shit".
Man, poopie are you ever named appropriately! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
Posted by Radical Redneck
at June 2, 2006 11:56 AM
Are you kidding me, I am not going to blow myself up. There are many ways to fight the Americans. I am a teacher. I teach those kids what the US is all about. Next monday I will distribute photo's of dead Iraqi children to my pupils, shot point blank by US marines. I will tell my pupils this is what the US marine corps is all about!!
Funny thing isn't it. I've said it along. US troops are on a killing spree in Iraq, killing Iraqi's, raping them, torturing them, abusing them, humilating them. All you did was deny it. Now it's getting more clear this is what you do over there and you don't even mind. Abu Ghraib was no incident and apparently Haditha was no incident (especially now the next case of US soldiers killing innocent civilians in the town of Ishaqi was on the news today). I bet those monsters rape little Iraqi girls as well. It's a shame Iraqi culture prevents them and their parents from coming out in the open with such crimes (because of the honor killings). Can't you see how evil you are? What does it take to realize that?
Posted by poppie
at June 2, 2006 12:05 PM
Redneck, poppie means "little doll" in Dutch (popje or poppie), but I am amused you did research. I know you're not a bad person, no matter how much you try to look like one. So you can't seriously hurt my feelings, remember that.
Posted by poppie
at June 2, 2006 12:08 PM
Redneck, poppie means "little doll" in Dutch (popje or poppie
That's some seriously gay shit. You should have stuck with the little pieces of shit "little doll". Maybe you can chair the Charity Freedom and Diversity Party.
Posted by Radical Redneck
at June 2, 2006 12:24 PM
Hahahahaha! Are you serious? Poppie-poo is a teacher? Oh, the poor children! Dude, you are a freak. A certified nutcase. Probably a child-molester ("little doll", yet!) Look, I know socialized medicine sucks and you cannot get the psychiatric care you need, but please, try and get some help. You will still be a pathetic, impotent, whining loser, but at least you will be somewhat in touch with reality. As to me being evil? Man, you say it like it's a bad thing. Besides, just what the hell are you going to DO about it, little bitch?
Posted by Princess Natasha
at June 2, 2006 12:36 PM
P.S. Your beloved jihadis will still lop your stupid head off.
Posted by Princess Natasha
at June 2, 2006 12:58 PM
Ah, mucho bueno Monsieur Poppie. No hablas espanol, es perfecto. Yo hablare espanol. Me estudie francaise por dos anos, pero francaise es muy mal. Eschuchar es como cerdo chingando.
Pero, yo hablo dos o tres palabras en latino tambien.
Atencion, eschuche..
Dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori. So go blow yourself up.
"Can't you see how evil you are? What does it take to realize that?"
Si poppie, me comprende. Mucho mal. Yo soy el Chupacabra. Viva el Diablo!
"I HATE the US military."
From the Halls of Montezuma, To the Shores of Tripoli; We will fight our country's battles, In the air, on land and sea; First to fight for right and freedom, And to keep our honor clean; We are proud to claim the title of United States Marine.
Our flag's unfurled to every breeze From dawn to setting sun; We have fought in ev'ry clime and place Where we could take a gun; In the snow of far-off Northern lands And in sunny tropic scenes; You will find us always on the job-- The United States Marines.
Here's health to you and to our Corps Which we are proud to serve In many a strife we've fought for life And never lost our nerve; If the Army and the Navy Ever look on Heaven's scenes; They will find the streets are guarded By United States Marines.
Posted by MJohnson
at June 2, 2006 01:05 PM
Dear poppie, your pickup has been arranged. My associate, "Mr 666" will be there before you know it, and don't struggle, it will make the injection more painful. After that, you'll wake up in beautiful, sunny Guantanamo! Najib has been dying for new company, you will fit the tab very nicely, and maybe he'll end his hunger strike with fresh meat in his cell! Late at night when you're sleeping, we'll come-a-creeping, sweet dreams!
Posted by Infidel River Rat
at June 2, 2006 01:18 PM
This is fun. Normally the only Spanish I get to use is what I read on the menu at El Gayo.
If you try to translate that, though...I warned you mi grammatica es muy mal, and since I'm not hypenating the words (it's like....simplified spanish, because I'm not looking up all those ANSI escape codes on windows character map) some of the words end up having slightly different meanings.
Like, sí means yes, but si means if. And dos años means two years, but dos anos means two anuses.
Posted by MJohnson
at June 2, 2006 01:23 PM
"...poppie means "little doll" in Dutch"
LMAO! Dude, I think you should have kept that info tidbit to yourself! May we call you "dolly" too?
Posted by Lady Heather, the Repugnant
at June 2, 2006 01:50 PM
"socialized medicine sucks.." what a bitch! How can you say such a thing while living in a country where 10% of the population lives below the poverty line, where most people don't have insurance and ambulances leave the scene of accidents after finding out people involved have no insurance? Where good schools are only for the rich, where veterans are dumped on the street as garbage as soon as they leave the army, where an army of working poor is growing each day, where the rich get richer and ordinary people find it more difficult to live every year. What's wrong with taking care of each other? Your society is cold and selfish!
MJ, I see you're a fan of the marine corps. That means you're fan of people killing little children. Have you watched those photo's yet? Nice poem you wrote cocksucker. Here's another one!
From Fallujah to Baghdad, from the desert of Al Anbar in Haditha, Ramadi and Ishaqi we will kill every Iraqi. We are soldiers of uncle Sam, we just don't give a damn. We rape, torture and abuse, our rifles are always of good use! We shoot little girls dead, point blank in the head! Especially on killing babies we are keen, that why we deserve the title of United States Marine!
Princes Natasha, I never said all American broads are whores. Who do you think I am? I know you are one though. It is common knowledge "Princess Natasha" is a nickname for with trash whores like yourself in large parts of the world (Middle East, Asia etc.). You really don't mean nothing, this will be the last time I'll waste my time on you. Go back to your trailerpark and leave us alone.
Posted by poppie
at June 2, 2006 04:38 PM
""socialized medicine sucks.." what a bitch! How can you say such a thing"
Because it's true? Just look at where your rich people go for healthcare....the US!!!
"while living in a country where 10% of the population lives below the poverty line"
But get FULL MEDICAL COVERAGE in our private health care system ANYWAY. Ain't THAT a bitch.
Buy hey, you don't beleive anything that's true. You think they're wondering around the streets with TB in tattered rags, limping on crutches and begging passers-by "Please missus, take pity on a lonely abandoned child and spare a farthing?"
"ambulances leave the scene of accidents after finding out people involved have no insurance?"
See? See? You do! You do! Why that's never happened even once.
"Where good schools are only for the rich"
Britian? Oh sorry, you mean in the US. Yes, yes they are. Conservatives have tried to change it but your new-left wacko bed buddies won't let us. Next time you're buggering each other perhaps you could put in a good word?
"where veterans are dumped on the street as garbage as soon as they leave the army"
Praytell in your part of the pisshole, do you have access to modern media or do you only recieve 30 year old literature? Either way, 30 years ago it was (again) your lefty bed buddies doing that so perhaps you might want to smack the ass a little harder next time, get in some retribution for that. You'll be happy to know we stopped doing that when Reagan took over.
"where an army of working poor is growing each day"
Growing into the negative numbers, yes.
"where the rich get richer and ordinary people find it more difficult to live every year."
Live wildly beyond thier own means, yes.
Poppie, you make this shit up. It's bullshit. I don't know what you think is going on over here, but you're head is quite firmly up your ass.
You come onto a blog with American commentators and hope to persuade them to your point of view by making plain bald false and ridiculous assertions that the US lept to life out of the pages of Oliver Twist? You discredit yourself mightily, much more then simple me could manage to muster.
You are a fool. You're drowning in kool-aid.
Posted by MJohnson
at June 2, 2006 05:11 PM
"MJ, I see you're a fan of the marine corps."
Sí.
"That means you're fan of people killing little children."
Sí.
"Have you watched those photo's yet?"
Sí.
"Nice poem you wrote cocksucker."
Gracias.
Actually it's the Marine Corps Hymn.
Yours is good too though. Muy bueno.
Posted by MJohnson
at June 2, 2006 05:15 PM
Though, if you like poetry rather then hymns, I can give you some of those too.
It's not his dress blues, or his spit-shine shoes, or his uniform of green that makes a Marine.It's not how much he can drink, or how many times he's been in the clink, or how many lands he's seen that makes a Marine.
A real Marine is more then that, more then his medals and his campaign hat, and though I think it is as it may seem, it is the tear in his eye that makes a Marine.
The Marine stood and faced his God Which must allways come to pass. He hoped his shoes were shining Just as brightly as his brass."Step forward now, you Devil-Dog, How shall I deal with you? Have you allways turned the other cheek? To my Church have you been true?" The Marine squared his shoulders and said, "No Lord, I guess I ain't Because those of us who carry guns Can't allways be a saint."
I've had to work on Sundays And at times my talk was rough, And sometimes I've been violent, Because the streets are awful tough.
But, I never took a penny, that wasn't mine to keep...Though I worked alot of overtime When the bills got pretty steep.
And I never passed a cry for help, Though at times I shook with fear, And sometimes, God forgive me, I've wept unmanly tears.
And I know I don't deserve a place Among the people here, They never wanted me around, Except to calm their fears.
If you've a place for me here, Lord, It needn't be so grand, I've never expected or had too much, But if you don't I'll understand.
There was a silence all around the throne Where the saints had so often trod As the Marine waited quitely, For the judgement of his God.
"Step foward now, you Marine, You've borne your burdens well, Walk peacefully on Heaven's streets, You've done your time in Hell."
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he cares about more than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature who can never be free except made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. --John Stuart Mill
Posted by MJohnson
at June 2, 2006 06:21 PM
Thanks for making the effort to enlighten my evening with bloodthirsty marine poetry. The US marine really is a mean, lean, fighting machine, isn't he!
Now as for you conservative right wing scumbags: are you trying to persuade me into believing you really care about the poor and needy? Lesson number one for anyone who studies politics is the conservatives and right wingers do NOT care about the underpriveleged, they never did and never will. Trying to make me believe that is a waste of time.
I'll pick one issue now because it's late and I have busy day tomorrow, but I'll get back to you on the other issues. Read this article in The Business Week of May 31, 2004 about the working poor(I know it's two years old, but not as old as Oliver Twist, so I guess it's still quite actual).
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_22/b3885001_mz001.htm
Posted by poppie
at June 2, 2006 06:58 PM
"Thanks for making the effort to enlighten my evening"
No problemo.
"Now as for you conservative right wing scumbags: are you trying to persuade me into believing you really care about the poor and needy?"
Absolutely not! Not unless you mean we care about dropping the anchor burden of the surplus population by euthanizing them all, then yes, we care very much and spend most of our days plotting how to achieve this without the Dutch finding out.
"Lesson number one for anyone who studies politics is the conservatives and right wingers do NOT care about the underpriveleged, they never did and never will."
De facto! Conservative = evil. Evil = conservative. It's the freakin definition, come on. Don't argue.
"Trying to make me believe that is a waste of time."
Yes, I sooooo totally agree. I think I've told you this 8 times, porque me hablare espanol. I've played games of tiddlywinks that were more meaningful then anything I've heard from you.
You are a text book example, poppie! Text book! All conservatives should know you well.
I could address your article, but that would take thought and fact checking (there's a foreign concept for you, eh? I may as well have said comprobacion del hecho) and time...and then I would be wasting it.
Not on you, Dolly. I have a sock drawer to go organize...
Hasta la lunes, baby.
Posted by MJohnson
at June 2, 2006 08:41 PM
You don't play this game by the rules senor Johnson. I make a statement, you deny I am right about something, I come up with evidence and you simply ignore it.
Really, you should this article in businessweek. It's not just about the horrible status the working poor are in (and that their numbers are INcreasing), it's also about how many Americans live below the poverty line, poor education, the fact many Americans don't have insurance and poor health care for the underpriveleged. By the way I don't know why you come up with a statement poor Americans get full medical coverage. They might get medical coverage, but they will be paying for that for the rest of their lives (the cost for medical attention are insane). Why deny all that? It is so obvious and yet you still deny it. It's like denying that water is wet and fire is hot. C'est ne pas normal, you're a bit loco..comprendre?
The fact this is an American blog doesn't matter. If you would participate on a European blog (like many Americans do), I would appreciate that and I would find it intresting what your opinions are on things. If you would have studied European history I would have even been more intrested in your opinions. But I guess so have a very shortsighted view of foreigners. If you're not an American you just can't know anything about American history or politics.. you're wrong about that Pancho Villa.
Posted by poppie
at June 3, 2006 06:08 AM
"I make a statement, you deny I am right about something, I come up with evidence and you simply ignore it."
Yes. Absolutely. Why not?
Look:
"right wingers do NOT care about the underpriveleged, they never did and never will. Trying to make me believe that is a waste of time."
I completely agree. Discussing your argument is a waste of time. You beleive what you beleive, it is a foundational beleif, deep-seated, and to re-evaluate such beleifs would be to shake the very principles that form your entire world view, self image, and philosophy.
You need a near-death experience to do that.
Talking politics with you is like trying to argue whether Jesus married a hot french chick with a Christian. These are beleifs rooted in faith and dogma, not logic.
You said it yourself! And I agree with you. The idea that anything I say might prove you wrong or dissuade you is like suggesting anything I could say might convince a Muslim that God is dead and Mohammed was a pedophile.
And in that way, again, your beleifs are more like some pesky evangelist: You expect everyone else to listen to you, consider what you have to say (and be converted) but don't feel you owe such consideration of opposing views to anyone else.
"Why deny all that?"
Because it's not true. The USA is a SOCIALIST state poppie. You have no idea. Really. No idea. But it's pointless to argue because you won't change your mind. Facts are not important, your beleifs are rooted in unquestioning faith. To suggest that people who disagree with you might not be evil, is to suggest that you might not be all that good, and that line of questioning is unacceptable.
"The fact this is an American blog doesn't matter."
It matters when you come on an American blog to tell people how much you hate our military, yes it does.
"If you would participate on a European blog"
I do. (You know there's more then 1, eh? No?) I don't go over there and tell them "YOU ****ING DUTCH I WANT TO TORTURE YOU BABY-RAPERS!" though. I don't see what the point of that would be.
Nor am I sure how much you would appreciate that.
"If you would have studied European history"
Dolly, I know more about the history of your country then most of your own teenagers do.
"If you're not an American you just can't know anything about American history or politics.."
See, that's you projecting. That's really how you feel about me. (How did you react to me telling you I know your history better then most Dutch do?).
No, poppie, your ignorance doesn't spawn from the fact that you're european, you're ignorance spawns from the fact that you're ignorant.
It's really that simple.
You're not wrong because your Dutch. You're wrong because you're just flat out, observably, verifiably, wrong.
Posted by MJohnson
at June 3, 2006 01:42 PM
"Can't you see how evil you are?"
Sure we can Dolly. We like evil. We are the Army of Darkness. We take our orders from the Elders of Zion, and they pay us in liver pate made from small arab children, and that's the way we like it. It's just what we do. We're evil, just like you say.
Posted by MJohnson
at June 3, 2006 02:00 PM
This really is amazing. You blame me for being ignorant, but it could have been me writing that last comment to YOU. I hope you realize you and other people on this blog make the same impression on me as I make on you. Seriously, what you don't realize is you are like me. Not ignorant in the first place, but when confronted with people who just don't listen and are not open to discussion all is left is provocation and insults.
Facts do matter to me and my friends and people who know me can accuse me of many things, but ignorance is not one of them. People who disagree with me are not necessarily evil and if they can convince me to view things a different way that's for the better. My beliefs are not rooted in faith and dogma. I think it's good you know a lot about my country and I would like discuss issues concerning Europe and the Netherlands with you any time. I even believe you when you say you know more about the history of my country than most Dutch teenagers (which probably goes the same way for me when it comes to US history and American teenagers).
Don't get me confused with some nationalistic fool who blindly hates your country. I do not hate your country. I loose my temper every now and than, but that doesn't mean I hate Americans or the US in general. Now you can either belief that or not, but I am telling you the truth.
Posted by poppie
at June 3, 2006 07:34 PM
Ok, poppita, then let us review your frame of reference.
"People who disagree with me are not necessarily evil and if they can convince me to view things a different way that's for the better."
Not necessarily? The first thing you must understand is that conservative Americans are not evil. They _DO_ care about the poor and less fortunate. And even the ones that support the war care about the Iraqis. And our troops are not violent killing machines but regular people who bleed when pricked, laugh when tickled, die when poisoned and cry when saddened. Just. Like. You.
Now you can either belief that or not, but I am telling you the truth.
"Don't get me confused with some nationalistic fool who blindly hates your country."
I most certainly do not confuse you with some nationalistic fool of any sort.
I know you to be a international/transnational fool who perscribes to the view of the new left.
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/johnleo/2006/06/04/199806.html
Am I wrong?
Want to see my work? Compare your comments to the comments responding to a democrats rational argument here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-beinart/haditha_b_21978.html
The first post you posted on this thread (comment #2 and a complete an utter non-sequitar of one at that):
"Have you conservative rats heard about the Haditha massacre commited by your marines? The bastards tried to cover it up, but this time that didn't work! Your boys killed innocent women and children in cold blood, a three year old girl was shot point blank by a US marine. How does that feel you fucking fascist bastards? This is Iraq's My Lai! Marines don't have any respect for Iraqi's, the raid their homes, steal things, urinate on people's belongings, curse at ordinary Iraqi's and sometimes kill or rape Iraqi citizens, but now they murdered dozens of unharmed Iraqi civilians. I hope those marines die a horrific death. I hope they will be blown to little pieces!! "
What, precisely, was your point here? We're suppose to discuss THAT, are we?
Ok.
I firmly disagree with your bald assertions about the sinister nature of US forces.
Posted by MJohnson
at June 5, 2006 12:40 PM
By the way, for further frame of reference, read the jist of those comments. Even from the US commentators. America is average at best, downright bad at worst in thier view. Most Americans do not accept this in any way shape or form, and will not. And swearing at us will not convince us, either.
We on the right take heart in such displays, because it is most of our beleif that so long as the left party, the democrats, continue to harbor that wing it will prevent them from winning back an influential role of power in the US. And if they try to exorcise that wing, it will shatter thier party in a way that will prevent them from winning back an influential role of power in the US.
Heads I win, tails you lose, long live the neocons.
Posted by MJohnson
at June 5, 2006 12:55 PM
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