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February 13, 2006

MA Town Mayor Shows Solidarity With Denmark After Mohammed Cartoon Response

After the rash of muslim riots in response to the cartoons published by the Jyllands-Posten, the Town Manager of Stoughton decided to show his support for Denmark by flying the Danish flag with Old Glory. Unfortunately, his symbolic gesture was cut short by small public outcry, the Boston Globe reports.

As militant Muslims from Indonesia to the West Bank torched and trampled the Danish flag this past week to protest political cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed, Stoughton's Town Manager Mark Stankiewicz grew increasingly upset.

So in a small act of solidarity with Denmark and of support for free speech, Stankiewicz bought two Danish flags on Monday and raised one of the red-and-white banners outside the Town Hall that morning, flying it on the pole beneath the US flag.

The symbolic gesture was short-lived, as Stankiewicz lowered the flag the next afternoon after a local veteran complained that it was improper to fly the flags of two countries on one pole. He declined to release the name of the veteran.

The veteran's complaint is the only legitimate complaint regarding the raising of the Danish flag. Others, however, saw this differently.

...many people in town saw the foreign flag display as insensitive and inflammatory. Several town employees told Stankiewicz they did not agree with his decision and worried the flag could provoke violence against Town Hall in light of the attacks against Danish and other European embassies throughout the Middle East. Stankiewicz described their concerns as an ''overreaction."

The Stoughton No Place for Hate Committee, a local antidiscrimination group, plans to discuss the episode at its meeting tonight because of fears that residents might be hurt or insulted.

''There's always that chance that there will be people who are offended, and we want to guard against that," said Karon Skinner-Catrone, chairperson of the 10-person group, some of whom are town officials.

Catrone declined to give her personal views on the topic before meeting with Stankiewicz, but she said she was ''sure his intentions were good."

''I know Mark would not want to intentionally hurt the town," she said. ''I hope people don't take it the wrong way."

Others said the decision wrongly used a public forum for personal political beliefs. ''It's one thing to display your politics on your front lawn, but he represents the whole town," said a town worker who asked not to be identified because it could compromise her work situation. ''No one wants to make Stoughton look bad, but people are furious about this."

So it's not okay to possibly offend muslims? Notwithstanding the legitimate concerns of the anonymous veteran, to complain about showing solidarity with Denmark out of fear of offending muslims is exactly the point the Jyllands-Posten was making by holding the cartoon contest. There is nothing wrong with showing solidarity with Denmark, just as many nations showed solidarity with the United States after 9/11. Take for instance, the story of the FGS (Federal German Ship) Niedersachsen (F 208) rendering honors to USS Doyle (FFG 39).

On September 11th, 2003, the second anniversary of the terrorist attacks against America, in the North Sea above Scotland, while on patrol with the combined battle group of NATO Standing Naval Force Atlantic (STANAVFORLANT), FGS (Federal German Ship) Missile Frigate Niedersachsen (F208) asked to come along-side the Missile Frigate USS Doyle (FFG 39). This to render honors.

As a sign of respect naval vessels of different nations routinely render honors when they pass at sea by dipping their flag. However, in this instance, the German Frigate and her crew went above and beyond this traditional gesture of respect.

On this day, as the German Frigate pulled alongside the USS Doyle, her crew gave a hand salute and in unison removed their covers and placed them over their hearts. The Niederachsen slowed and matched speed with the Doyle, both ships paralleling each other at a distance of 100 yards. The American crew then saw the United States flag flying from the yardarm of the Niedersachsen. At that, the Doyle's crew returned the salute. As the crew of the Doyle dropped their salute Niedersachsen increased her speed and turned to resume station in the formation.

The commander of the German ship, Bernd Kuhbier, Captain of FGS Niedersachsen, explained why they did what they did. "When you are on a warship, you don't fly a foreign flag on the top mast. But we thought the occasion was suitable to do that, so that's what we did. We were proud to do so." Vice Admiral Timothy LaFleur described what it was like on the USS Doyle during the display.

From their main mast they flew our flag and they held their covers over their hearts. Needless to say, the whole crew was choked up and a few tears formed in our eyes. Both ships stayed next to each other in silence for about 5 minutes. These are the days that remind me why I joined the Navy.

In a manner of speaking, Town Manager Mark Stankiewicz was rendering honors to the Danish as a sign of solidarity. What is wrong with that? Did those on the German Frigate worry about offending muslims by showing solidarity with Americans who were attacked at the hands of radical muslims? Of course not.

There can be no shame in showing solidarity with a nation who shares our love for freedom. There is shame, however, in discarding freedom of speech.

Cross-posted at Hub Politics

Posted by Aaron at February 13, 2006 08:47 AM

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Comments

I don't particularly care how noble the cause is - is it really the position of a small town mayor to express views on international politics through raising foreign flags?

Posted by mattk [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 13, 2006 11:55 AM

You're right, this mayor should learn his place.

Oh wait, for a second there we were talking about 19th century India...No the USA doesn't have a caste system.

It's his position to do whatever the hell he deigns to do with his position so long as the voters keep voting him into power to do it.

I can't beleive you'd actually suggest that someone has to hold some sort of special opinion to 'express views on international politics'........And you guys are for the 1st ammendment eh?

Posted by MJohnson [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 13, 2006 02:00 PM

At first I kept hearing about the fear factor, which I didn't really beleive at all. If your a westerner living in Syria, or maybe even in Paris, I understand the fear. But I didn't think fear of reprisal was seriously effecting people's judgement in the US.

I keep hearing more of it though, that people are apparently seriously affraid to run these cartoons.... even in, say, Pennsylvania...

Astonishing.

Posted by MJohnson [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 13, 2006 02:10 PM

>>It's his position to do whatever the hell he deigns to do with his position so long as the voters keep voting him into power to do it.

Yeah, his voters told him he was out of line and things changed.

Is that something to be upset about?

Posted by mattk [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 13, 2006 02:57 PM

It's his position to do whatever the hell he deigns to do with his position so long as the voters keep voting him into power to do it.

Um, no, it's his duty to abide by local, state and federal laws, the town charter, state and federal constitutions, and to attempt to fulfill his campaign promises. Maybe as much as all that, he is the voters representatives - and not just on election day. He's there to bring their interests to the municipal government. If he wants to ignore their intentions, that's his prerogative as a politician, knowing there may be consequences. The question is, how many complained, vs. how many constituents does he have?

On the cartoons, I have to side with the publishers. The way that some Muslims have responded - not all, obviously - is certainly not compatible with free speech or democracy, or basic human decency. FWIW, I'm for letting any group of people go to hell-in-a-handbasket, so long as its their decision and they're on their own. But when they attack another group -attack, mind you, not coulda-mighta-maybe-would-attack (e.g. Iraq ;-) -that's obviously not alright.

Posted by plausible_deniability [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 13, 2006 04:18 PM

First of all, as every right thinking American should know, Mark Stankiewicz is town manager, not Mayor.

A Town Manager is hired to be an admistrator and conduct town business according to the Rules and Guidence of the board of selectman, in a Town, not a City. In a City other rules apply according to Charter.

Mark did the right thing, should have observed flag rules, though.

I don' know any Danes, except Ellie, they seem to have more balls than most.

Bill

Posted by Little Bill [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 13, 2006 06:56 PM

I think this town manager should try again with the flag in a different place. I am going to Germany this spring, and I am taking my pro-American, pro-Danish, and anti-islam tees and tanks with me. "There's always that chance that there will be people who are offended, and we want to guard against that." Says you.

Posted by Lisa [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 14, 2006 12:33 PM

>>First of all, as every right thinking American should know

eh, more like any american concerned with small town politics.

>>A Town Manager is hired to be an admistrator and conduct town business

Strangely, I can't relate any of that to flying foreign flags.

>>Mark did the right thing,

Hardly.

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>>I am going to Germany this spring, and I am taking my pro-American, pro-Danish, and anti-islam tees and tanks with me.

I no longer wonder why foreigners hate american tourists.

Posted by mattk [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 14, 2006 12:47 PM

So you yourself are not pro-american, pro-Danish, and anti-Islam? Would it have made any difference if I had been more specific and said anti-Islomofascist tank top? The only foreigners who will "hate" me are those who hate freedom.

Posted by Lisa [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 14, 2006 01:21 PM

Foreigners hate all tourists. You should see what the Italians/French/Germans say about French/Italian/German tourists.

Posted by MJohnson [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 14, 2006 01:59 PM

Oh, and I wasn't being sarcastic. No REEAAALLY, not at all.

This manager should learn his place. He's not in a position to have such opinions. Goddamn unruly smalltown hick serfs...

Posted by MJohnson [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 14, 2006 02:00 PM

>>So you yourself are not pro-american, pro-Danish, and anti-Islam?

I'm just saying that i don't go around parading my political views about, particularly when surrounded by people i don't know.

>>He's not in a position to have such opinions.

Once again, he's quite welcome to express his own opinions on his own flagpole.

I can just imagine the uproar if he decided that china did something particular virtuous and decided to raise their flag.

Posted by mattk [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 14, 2006 03:05 PM

I no longer wonder why foreigners hate american tourists.

I've lost eons of sleep over this.

I'm just saying that i don't go around parading my political views about, particularly when surrounded by people i don't know.

Oh no, certainly never here.

Posted by Radical Redneck [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 14, 2006 08:12 PM

so mattk you are afraid to "parade" your political views if you are not surrounded by people of known like mindedness? I am not crazy enough to wear a deliberately inflammatory top in Europe in these times. On the other hand, I should be able to wear a patriotic or positive politically motivated message in Germany. We shall see. I am not afraid.

Posted by Lisa [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 16, 2006 05:13 PM

RR:

Europe is an America wanna be with funny writing. People are nicer in NYC. I did like Poland though, the people need to discover soap and water will not kill you.

Bill

Posted by Little Bill [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 18, 2006 08:32 AM

Bill,

Unfortunately much of America is Europe wannabe - for only the worst reasons.

Each one of the leftist debris that post here would like nothing more than to turn America into a dismal, declining France. They want a pussilanimous, non-existant defense, chronic appeasement (especially toward non-white threats), punitive taxation toward anyone successful (unless connected to them), unlimited dole making work obsolete, and a stagnant serf class controlled by self-identified and self-absorbed so-called elites (them).

What amps their already perpetual frenzy is they can't succeed at it, or anything else. They lose election after election, believing they only have to be more odious and obnoxious to sieze power. They get more behind every day and, even in their legenday self-delusion, know it too. Their wet dream slips further away all the time and they haven't a clue to retrieve it.

I love it!

Posted by Radical Redneck [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 18, 2006 01:28 PM