No, Bush didn't break the levees, but once they broke, it took until friday for federal troops to his the city. the levees broke Monday night/Tuesday morning. New Orleans was left to fend for itself for three days.

Inexusable.

Tom Shipley Will you shut your liberal Pie hole and listen to what is really going on.

All of you screaming liberal idiots, are a sad lot of people. It may be a fact that most of us conservative thinkers are missing. You idiots probably can't do anything for yourself, and need a government to take care of you daily lives.

Nothing much happened to save people in New Orleans until Bush came.

Where was the Local Liberal Democratic Society before Bush came in.

Bush had the Federal assets ready for there use before the hurricane hit shore. Bush had to show up and kick some ass in gear before anything really happened

Is this guy for real?

No, just to get this straight, sjdigger, if there had been a conservative mayor, new orleans would have been able to deal with the worst national disaster ever to hit this country without federal assistance?

And if Bush was ready BEFORE the hurricane hit, why did it take for days for the national guard to get there? Bad traffic?

Tom Shipley where is your liberal blog that you visit. It is time that We conservatives take this Conservative/Liberal war to your sights and fight you there. To borrow the Bush plan on take the war to the terrorists, so they will not have to come here.

Tom Shipley don't pee your pants.

It did not take Bush 5 days to react. He reacted just as soon as he discovered that Louisiana could get the job done.

They had the assets available, but did not use them.

This is the only political message board that i visit.

Practically the entire city was underwater on tuesday; looting and murder was occuring. the mayor was calling for federal assistance. people drowned in their houses; in nursing homes because there was no one to rescue them. local law enforcement is not equipped to handle a disaster of this magnintude.

Why did it take til friday for them to get there?

What are you saying?? Tom Shipley

You are totally ignoring the actual reality of the situation, only to blame George Bush. I am proud of the way he had handled every aspect of this disaster.

Where is your analysis of the local repsonsibilities that never happened. They had a disaster plan for this very situation. but did not act upon it. The roads were open to the superdom, where the public showed up. Anhiser Bush had truckloads of water available, and the govenor of louisiana told them not to go in because it was not secure. How is this President Bushe's fault again.

Unless you really believe this:

--> When President Bush came I did not see him do any work. He should have brought a bucket with him and started bailing out the city, what a jerk. All he done was came said a few words, molested a couple of daughters, Hugging and kissing them what is that about. and then he left.

I think he should have showed up durring the huricane. It is his job to do all and be god. and then take all the blame. The huricane was his fault also, with all the global warming. If it wasn't for Bush we would not have had the huricane in the first place.

But he caused the huricane, so he should have known that the city of New orleans, couldn't do the job right, Yeh he did tell them to evacuate before the hurcane came, he knew it was going to happen and he even directed the hurican to hit. He even turned the heat up with top secrete radio waves so it would be a catigory 5. But he did not have the food and water ready for the people at the superdom before the huricane came. I know all this because I am a sceaming liberal, and Bush stole the presidency so he could throw this huricane at New Orleans. It is not just his fault but he did this intentionally.

Why has no one called Tom on his obvious lie? National Guard were deployed within 24 hours:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050830/ap_on_re_us/katrina_looting_3

>>National Guard were deployed within 24 hours:

All five of them.

Tom was talking about an amount of National Guard that could you know actually do something.

I am not one who enters into these blogs often but when I see the facts distorted as much as some folk are doing here I have to step in with some facts. Most of these facts are available on the web if folks want to take the time to look. First, as far as the Department of Homeland Security statement that they are assuming primary responsibilities for everything the DHS should read the law that establish the DHS as should people that wave the statement around as the end all and be all to back their point of view. One item from from Public Law 107-296 which establishes the Department of Homeland Security and two other items from some Congressional Reports. - Sec. 101 In general the primary mission of the Department is to carry out all functions of entities transferred to the Department, including by acting as a focal point regarding natural and manmade crises and emergency planning. - The Homeland Security Act of 2002 (P.L. 107-296) made the new Department of Homeland Security (DHS) responsible for providing assistance to state and local governments to ensure adequate preparedness for all disasters, including terrorist attacks. - The Homeland Security Act of 2002 (P.L. 107-296) created a new Department of Homeland Security (DHS) with a number of responsibilities relating to state and local preparedness for potential terrorist attacks. In general, the DHS Secretary is responsible for administering grant programs for state and local first responders.

According to the law and the congress the DHS is a focal point for the state government and will help the state and local governments when needed. And in general will dole out money to state and local first responders.

Next is the issue of when the troops got on the ground to help. Any search of the web will give times and dates and numbers of troops that are working this disaster.

The first is from one web page on Wednesday (not Friday as stated by several of the writers on this blog.)

Wed Aug 31, 7:58 PM ET WASHINGTON - An additional 10,000 National Guard troops from across the country began pouring into the Gulf Coast on Wednesday, adding new soldiers and airmen to shore up security, rescue and relief operations in the region ravaged by Hurricane Katrina. The new units brought the number of troops dedicated to the effort to more than 28,000, in what may be the largest military response to a national disaster. The Pentagon has sent in about 60 helicopters, which will be used for search and rescue operations, damage assessment flights, and the distribution of supplies throughout the region. Late Wednesday, the Air Force was coordinating medical evacuation flights out of New Orleans International Airport, and special operations forces were bringing in battery-powered runway lights so flights could continue through the night. Hundreds of patients — one flight included dozens of expectant mothers — were being flown to hospitals in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Shreveport, La., said Col. Jeff Franklin, who is coordinating the Air Force and Air National Guard and Reserve airlift flights. As of mid-afternoon, Coast Guard air and boat crews had rescued 1,259 people across the region and recovery teams were delivering food, water, medical equipment and other supplies, said Lt. Cmdr. Jeff Carter. The next one from September 1, Joint Task Force Katrina Published 9/1/2005 12:09:00 AM (http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=8677) As I write this, at about 7 p.m. EDT Wednesday, Defense Department aircraft have airlifted eight swift-water rescue teams (each comprised of 14 men, 6 large vehicles, and boats that can carry twenty disaster victims) that are working to save the survivors who are still stranded. The swift-water teams are moving fast, but are barely ahead of the Marines and sailors of the USS Bataan, the helicopter assault carrier that is already on station off Louisiana. Its five heavy-lift helos and landing craft are very busy, and the Bataan's hospital will soon be as well. About seven heavy-lift helos and their crews are working for FEMA, performing search and rescue in the hardest-hit areas. While the National Guard and Bataan work into the night, the rest of the team are on the way by land, sea, and air. (..as of September 1...) The National Guard already has boots on the ground in Louisiana helping rescue people and doing their part to help restore order. (It can do that because it's operating under state mobilization orders, not federal ones.) States of emergency exist, but as National Guard Bureau chief Lt. Gen. Steven Blum told me Wednesday evening, there have been no declarations of martial law. Blum said he already had 11,000 men on the job, and was supplementing that force with another 11,000 within the next 24 to 48 hours.

The next is from another web page,

Joint Task Force Katrina Begins Setting up at Camp Shelby, Miss 08/31/2005 (http://www.ausa.org/webpub/DeptHome.nsf/byid/CTON-6FUPLU)

As of the morning of Aug. 31, four MH-53 Sea Stallion and two HH-60 Seahawk helicopters from USS Bataan were flying medical-evacuation and search-and-rescue missions in Louisiana, and Bataan's hospital was preparing for possible use for medical support. Bataan, based out of Naval Station Ingleside, Texas, is in the waters off the Louisiana coast. High Speed Vessel Swift, also based at Ingleside, sailed to the waters off Louisiana to provide support, as well. Three helicopters from the Army's 3rd Corps, in Fort Hood, Texas, are in Baton Rouge, La., and two more in Mississippi to help with searches and rescues and damage assessments, NORTHCOM officials reported. In addition, five Air Force helicopters from the 920th Rescue Wing, from Patrick Air Force Base, Fla., and 347th Rescue Wing from Moody Air Force Base, Ga., are in Mississippi for search-and-rescue missions, officials said. These aircraft are capable of nighttime searches and rescues and also will transport FEMA assessment teams over the area to gather critical information for state and federal emergency manager

and this last one is from a paper back east,

MARINE CORPS AIR STATION NEW RIVER, N.C.(Sept. 1, 2005) -- About 120 Marines and other service members from here deployed in support of Joint Task Force Katrina today to provide disaster relief to the residents and city of New Orleans. The departing Marines form a composite squadron made up of aircraft and Marines from Marine Heavy Helicopter Squadrons 461 (3 CH-53Es), 465 (3 CH-53Es) and Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron 365 (2 CH-46Es).

Looks like the government responded fast. Could it have been faster? Of course it could! Could more have been done? Of course it could have! There is always something more that could have been done once we have the luxury of hindsite. When we know what was done then we can always talk about what could have been done.

I have never seen someone take so much time to say so little.

First rule of non logical argument is to attack the speaker and not the facts...happy to see that you are being consistent Um Yeah

You didnt really say anything except that you think we shouldnt blame President Nero for his screwups.

The Buck stops with him.

Care to try again?

Do you care to try again? Not sure what I need to do. All I said was that some folk on this subject were continuing to spread lies. I provided some hard facts with references which could possibly clear some misconceptions. If some folks want to assume that my statement of facts mean that I am defending anyone in the government then I am sorry that those folks are so bias that lies are preferable to facts. Myself I would prefer to have the truth.

By the way did you hear the new one on CNN. They had a resident who did not evacuate from the Big Easy talking about how he saw men blow up the levee. He said that they flooded the poor part of town to save the French Quarter. Great news gathering from CNN and they are running it again and again and again. Love the 24x7 news cycle. Got to hand it to CNN, they are really on the ball when it come to getting the facts.

You arent stopping lies or providing info because it really was the Feds job.

Stop using the words facts and truth if what you are saying isnt.

http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524

JDW Its good to see your response, I learned something useful.

I've been away and never heard the CNN report. What I did see was in the first part of this disaster CNN was reading President Bush bashing emails about him being late from his vacation, Mixed into their news stories. They don't provide news, they provide stories.

This is the reason that thare are so many Screaming Liberal idiots running around. The liberal News plays to their stupidity.

You have provided a complete factual presentation, which in return you get an idiot response. I don't know why these idiots exist. but I see it to be a huge job to beating these liberal thinkers back and take back our government so it will work for the people, and be a good steward of the will of the America People.

I have never seen someone take so much time to say so little.

Coiming from YOU, that's rich. I've never seen anyone say so little over 3 friggin' years.

Um...Tom....last I checked, having been one of 'em for a few years....the STATE controls the National Guard, until they're activated for federal duty. As in, whenever we get a blizzard up here, the STATE activates the National Guard for the immediate needs of the STATE. The FedGov only activates them for federal duty or long-term state duty.

THIS IS FRIGGIN HILARIOUS (in a sick situation sorta way)....everyone needs to go check UY's latest not-commented-on-and-he-thinks-it's-got-some-proof-to-further-his-non-point link to see how full of shit he really is. So UY, Mr. "I have nothing to say"....did you even read your link?

Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard (state) and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.

The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.

Learn to type/spell.

You dyslexic?

BTW it still the DHS. Just the one that happens to be in LA.

Got a point tard boy?

Learn grammar and logic and form a coherent sentence for a change. How about trying to create a rational argument for a change. Or is it all ad hominems and inanities all day? How about defending ONE link you've ever posted for a change?

BTW, the LA-DHS is actually called the Louisiana Office of Emergency Preparedness....as in, it's a STATE agency run by the STATE with leaders appointed by the STATE. Good to see you're still as ignorant as ever.

Still says LA DHS.

Like I pointed out as of march 1st it is the Feds job.

Sjdigger – Thank you for the kind words but I am just providing the “facts and truth” as I find them. No ax to grind except when the “facts and truth” are distorted. I have beaten up on conservatives as often as I have on liberals and on Republicans as often as Democrats. And don’t forget that we all have a blind side where we can be called “Screaming idiots” (I have a very good wife of 36 years who reminds me when I start to drop into the screaming idiot phase – seems that she is doing it more often as I get older). I prefer to work with large scale computer systems (I am a Senior Systems Engineer) as they have a more logical twist than people and they only do what I tell them to do. I just have to be careful that I know what I am telling them.

BTW I have not seen that CNN report since Sunday but then again it is still early today. Maybe they pulled it because of the huge public outcry for the “facts and truth”

One last comment before I leave this topic (it is getting old but if I see anything with a newer date that peaks my interest I may drop in with some comments...now for my last comment...enjoy....Just so we are starting off on the right foot I will provide a little background in case some folks need a refresher in Logic. Logic is defined as the study of the rules of correct thinking which is a guide to rational thought and discussion. Logics most fundamental idea is that of “argument”. Remember that “argument” must be distinguished from “arguing”. “Arguing” is a debate or disagreement between different people. The concept of an “argument” is a set of two statements one being the conclusion and the other the premise, of which you can have a number of premises. The premises support the conclusion. This is nothing more than a statement with the evidence that supports it. If folks are going to have any rational discussion the discussion must follow the rules of logic. Logic does not specify what the contents of the statements and premises are but it shows how to arrange them in a logical fashion. There are six basic types of logical arguments: 1) Deductive Arguments in which the conclusion is contained in the premises, 2) Inductive Arguments where the conclusion goes beyond the premises, 3) Categorical Syllogisms which contains three statements (two premises and one conclusion) such as “All humans are mortal, Socrates is a human, therefore Socrates is mortal. 4) Argument by Analogy where the conclusion is drawn about something based on similarities to other situations (it was snowing today and I will be late because I was late when it snowed before), 5) Modus Ponens (Latin for method and affirming) that uses the concept of a conditional statement such as “if it rains, then the sidewalks will be wet, it is raining, therefore the sidewalks will be wet”, and 6) Fallacies. Fallacies are what I have been running into on this blog. They are incorrect ways of reasoning and are defined as sets of statements that appear to be an argument but are not. Two types of fallacies exist, the formal and informal. The formal breaks specific rules of logic while the informal look like an argument but the statements purporting to be premises do not support the conclusion (“circular argument” such as “why is bank robbery illegal? I’ll tell you why. It is because it is against the law!” And nothing has been proven)......Now that we have a point from which to start lets look at the “arguments” put forth so far........The retort to my first statement containing facts concerning the history of the disaster was that “I have never seen someone take so much time to say so little.” This Fallacy is called “Appeal to Emotion”. This is an attempt to inspire in the reader the idea that nothing was said of worth therefore the reader can disregard the previous statements. The second retort was “You didn’t really say anything except that you think we shouldn’t blame President Nero for his screw-up. The Buck stops with him. Care to try again?” contains at least two fallacies (could be more but I will have to look at it a bit longer). The two that I see at first reading are “Burden of Proof” (or its common name “Appeal to Ignorance”) and “Appeal to Ridicule”. The BoP or AtI is where a statement is assumed to be true unless proven otherwise. The AtR “reasoning” is fallacious in that it mocks a claim but does not show that it is false. The last response was “You aren’t stopping lies or providing info because it really was the Feds job. Stop using the words facts and truth if what you are saying isn’t”. Again this has a number of fallacies of which the one I like best is the “Straw Man” where the critic simply ignores the speakers’ actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. I pointed to the Public Law which described what responsibilities the DHS has, and I did not say that I was stopping any lies. Far be it for me, a mere observer of history, to do anything except point to statements that are not supported by facts and which go against historical occurrences. As for the request that I stop using the words fact and truth when I know that what I am saying is not a fact or true, I must take umbrage with my critic as I do not make statements which have not been researched and have at least several sources therefore I do not know these ‘facts and truths’ to be false. If anyone can provide information that negates the information (facts) that I have provided then, after due consideration, I will ether provide counter arguments or retract the parts of my statement that are proven unsupported. I would like to take this time to make an apology for the amount of time that I have taken to say so little but then again sometimes the facts take more room than a single thirteen word sentence.....I want to thank you all for you patience as I did want to make sure that everyone is on the same playing field and I also want to thank Um Yeah for his grand use of fallacies. I have not seen that many fallacies in so few words since I was a college freshman 40 years ago setting in my first 100 level logic class.....

>>All I said was that some folk on this subject were continuing to spread lies. I provided some hard facts with references which could possibly clear some misconceptions.

>>did not say that I was stopping any lies.

Cant you guys ever stop lying?

Um Yeah: Again not sure what your point is....where did I say that I was stopping lies....the statement that you cut and pasted clearly states that I am providing hard fact that could clear some misconceptions....don't get lie out of misconceptions????

It does not matter how often you say that a documented fact is a lie, the fact is still a fact....of course you have been and are following the method and thinking of Hitler and Goebbels "never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it." and "The people in their overwhelming majority are so feminine by nature and attitude that sober reasoning determines their thoughts and actions far less than emotion and feeling." Mein Kampf, vol. 1, ch. 6: 'War Propaganda.'

Enough of this....I now tend to agree with a number of other folks on this blog that you can not be reached by reason so until you provide supported facts I see no need to consider you worth the effort...enjoy your little corner of the world however small it is because it must be very small and very dark in there.

BTW....I am not sure who 'you guys' are as I only speak for myself and not for anyone else...

TTFN

This blog rocks! I'm outraged at the ignorance of people!!!!!!! LA. has known for 35 years the levees are in need of revision. But the second something happens, it's Bush's fault. They're all screaming for help, and all wanting to get what they're "owed". These people owe themselves an education. Where were those looters going to plug in their tv's? Did it occur to them to use them as sandbags? NOPE they're owed, society owes them. Well they can give their thanks to their ELECTED officials, Blanco & Nagin...............GWB is doing an awesome job. I wish more people could take off their media blindfolds. But that liberalism for ya. TTFN

Like I pointed out as of march 1st it is the Feds job.

D'uh....FEMA being absorbed from an independent agency into part of the DHS actually does NOTHING to FEMA or what FEMA is there to do. Go on and ignore reality. Take all the responsiblity off of the local and state governments and blame Bush for their incompetency in not following the plans they came up with...with the assistance of FEMA. Wait a minute....I'm clearly forgetting the "because UY said so" logic.

JDW...don't bother giving logic lessons around here. Dinks like UY will never understand what a logical fallacy is....let alone what EACH logical fallacy is.

>>Take all the responsiblity off of the local and state governments and

Didnt say that they are blame free.

Bush and the feds however did not do a decent job by any measure.

>>where did I say that I was stopping lies...

>>>>All I said was that some folk on this subject were continuing to spread lies. I provided some hard facts with references which could possibly clear some misconceptions.

You didnt use those exact words but that is what you said.

What strawman btw? It took you a very long post to say nothing but not to be hard on Nero.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050903/ap_on_re_us/katrina_national_guard

>>New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson offered Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco help from his state's National Guard last Sunday, the day before Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana. Blanco accepted, but paperwork needed to get the troops en route didn't come from Washington until late Thursday.

California troops just began arriving in Louisiana on Friday, three days after flood waters devastated New Orleans and chaos broke out.

In fact, when New Orleans' levees gave way to deadly flooding on Tuesday, Louisiana's National Guard had received help from troops in only three other states: Ohio, which had nine people in Louisiana then; Oklahoma, 89; and Texas, 625, figures provided by the National Guard show.

...

An oft thrown around right wing meme is that Blanco dragged ass, especially concerning the National Guard.

Believe what ever you want to believe.

YES.....further the FACT that you know diddly-squat about military affairs. It takes time to call-up NG troops from their careers, vacations, or wherever else they are, get them equipped, and deploy them. Of course, you'd know that if you knew ANYTHING about the military.

Let alone the fact that you have no clue about emergency operations at the federal level. Why don't you just spend some of that DU/Kios time reading actual fact before you open your ignorance to the rest of us. Read the evac plan that wasn't implemented. Read that the Red Cross was denied access to those in need.

...and when you're done, understand that those criticizing Blanco concerning the military are doing so because of her lack of a request for ACTIVE DUTY troops...you know, the ones that are ALWAYS on duty and have a 1 hour recall...not her local NG or the NG's of those in other states.

What you've done is called a straw-man. You know, one of those logical fallacy thingies that you love to employ when you're saying nothing.

I'll believe the facts of the matter. You can make false and illogical statements that say nothing.

>>It takes time to call-up NG troops from their careers

Well yeah, and from what ive heard many of the active duty NG are in Iraq.

Um Yeah:

Here are some facts that you don't like to hear and I assume that you will again say that these facts are lies...

The Pentagon said 78,000 of the roughly 440,000 National Guard troops nationwide are deployed overseas (all over the world and not just in Iraq).

Twenty-four hours after Hurricane Katrina battered the Gulf Coast, an estimated 7,500 National Guard troops from Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi were on duty, supporting civil authorities, distributing generators, providing medical care, and setting up shelters for displaced residents.

The Emergency Management Assistance Compact, an interstate agreement, enables Guard troops from one state to support operations in another state and has significantly boosted the National Guard's response capability. Through the agreement, 98,000 Guard troops from 12 states in or near the hurricane-stricken region are available to immediately support emergency operations. Nationwide, an estimated 337,000 Guard troops are available to be deployed to states impacted by the hurricane.

The Pentagon has sent about 40 percent of Mississippi's National Guard force to Iraq and 35 percent of Louisiana's -- a combined total of about 6,000 troops.

The following is from the Defense web page- http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2005/20050907_2633.html

1,800 members of the 82nd Airborne Division and more than 1,600 1st Cavalry Division troops (Active Duty Army not National Guard)...have joined the Hurricane Katrina relief operation.

This brings to 18,000 the number of active-duty forces committed to the mission, in addition to almost 43,000 National Guardsmen.

An additional 5,400 active duty troops and 1,400 National Guard members are expected to flow into the region within the next 24 to 48 hours.

Also, 27 ships -- 20 Navy and seven Coast Guard -- are now on station in the affected region.

I will guess that your response is that this is not enough and only the president is to blame...I will expect no less.

Sarge....I agree that some people have a hard time learning but I have to try just because that is the way I am. I have worked with a few folks that are very thick in the head and after a while we would just give them a great evaluation and let them apply for a different job in a different department....was not a nice thing to do but sometimes you just have to do what needs to be done. The numbers in my last post are a bit out of date as they are about 3 or 4 days old....please forgive but did not have time to collect anything newer.....Also looks like Brown (FEMA head) is going to go to the guillotine. After all the mob, spurred on by the MSM, is calling for blood....some head must roll and he is a good target because of his lack of experience (that's what Hillary said and I have to go along with her about everything...wow...what a president she is going to make...just think about what she could have done about the disaster)

BTW Um Yeah

"You didnt use those exact words but that is what you said."

If you do not read my exact words how do you know what I said...BTW this statement is a “strawman”.

"What strawman btw? It took you a very long post to say nothing but not to be hard on Nero." and I don't think that I said anything about “Nero” AKA GWB.

Again the definition of a “Straw Man” is where the critic simply ignores the speakers’ actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.

If you will read the definition of a strawman it may let you see the strawman withing your statements...oh but woe is me for my hope that the lost will see and that the light burns evermore in my soul.....

>>If you do not read my exact words how do you know what I said

I read what you said, and it was not an unfair interpretation of what you said.

Now saying I didnt read what you wrote thats a strawman.

Well yeah, and from what ive heard many of the active duty NG are in Iraq.

Good good, what's that? Talking point 3 from the marching orders? Got any numbers to back that up or is it just you being you? I mean, I know there are roughly a half million troops in the NG ranks and that we have roughly 130K TOTAL in Iraq right now but let's not let facts and logic get in your way......your non-point talking point is noted.

"You didnt use those exact words but that is what you said."

Man I love it whenever he says something stupid like that. This just means that he's not going offa what you ACTUALLY said...just what his feable brain has translated what you DID SAY into something he's trying to use to further his non-point....it's called lying, UY style. His mind doesn't pay attention to what you say, only what he WANTS or THINKS you said to further his latest non-argument....and then goes offa THAT.

Classis UY

Now saying I didnt read what you wrote thats a strawman.

WOW....take a logic course dumbshit. Really, you have no clue what you're talking about. Here's a little hint: A strawman argument must be a misrepresentation of someone else's argument which you then refute, instead of refuting the original argument. It's a logical fallacy because the original argument still stands. Stating that you didn't read his post is not in any way a straw man because it's an opinion based on the fact that yoiu misrepresented what he DID say (strawman) to suit your needs....but I know you're just trying to play with words you don't know. PLUS, you'd actually, you know, have to MAKE an argument in order for someone to use this logical fallacy against you, so in THAT way JDK is incorrect....and THAT remains to be seen in almost 3 years (you actually making an argument that stands up to 2 seconds of logical analysis.

Care to try and throw around a few more ligical fallacies you know diddly about?

>>>A strawman argument must be a misrepresentation of someone else's argument which you then refute,

I said something, he misrepresents what I said by saying I did not read what he wrote.

He is holding up a strawman instead of responding.

You will notice he didnt respond to whether that was a valid paraphrasing but merely said he never said "that" (as in his exact words).

Its hard work trying to translate your terrible english Margie.