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June 21, 2005
Dick Durbin Apologizes for Outrageous Gitmo Remarks
All I've got to say is it's about damn time:
(CNSNews.com) - Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.), who angered Republicans by comparing the Guantanamo Bay prison camp to Nazis, Soviet gulags, and Pol Pot's killers in Cambodia, apologized on the Senate floor this afternoon."Mr. President, I've come to understand that was a poor choice of words," said Durbin. "Last Friday, I tried to make this very clear that I understood that those analogies - the Nazis, Soviets, and others - were poorly chosen. I issued a release, which I thought made my intentions and my innermost feelings as clear as I possibly could," added Durbin.
I'm glad to see that public pressure built enough that Durbin thought this was the the only way he was going to save his sorry hide, because this apology would never have happened if leading Democrats had anything to do with it. Every single leading Democrat stood by Durbin's notion that being allowed to pray five times a day, gaining an average of five to seven pounds on a specially-prepared diet that respected their religious traditions and being afforded air conditioning was abuse akin to what occurred in German concentration camps and Pol Pot's Cambodia. And the Republicans who failed to called for Durbin's censure and, in some cases, supported his analogy with calls for an investigation and trials for evil bastards who don't deserve them are no better.
But according to Fox News, even as Durbin was apologizing, Nancy Pelosi and Henry Waxman were proceeding in the House with the same BS Durbin was spewing last week in the Senate, demanding a formal investigation into abuses such as these:
Durbin was upset over an FBI memo describing the conditions of the Guantanamo facility, which included prisoners being chained to the floor, bombarded with rock music, and subjected to extreme cold or extreme heat, depending on whether the air conditioner was turned on or off.
Oh my God! Such torture! How can these enemy combatants -- terrorists who would kill any one of us in a heartbeat, regardless of political affiliation, if given the chance -- possibly survive this torture?
I don't know about you, but I don't think Durbin's apology goes far enough. I still think he needs to be thrown out of the Senate on his weaselly butt with Pelosi, Waxman and the rest of their supporters (including some of the Republicans) right after him. And since it's quite obvious that these folks wouldn't know "abuse" if it ran up and bit them on the ass, perhaps we can send them over to Iraq to help excavate the next mass grave our troops uncover. I think this would be a good bit of humanitarian work for these lying, soft-white-underbellied weasels. They probably wouldn't last five minutes.
Posted by Steve at June 21, 2005 06:46 PM
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Hey, we all make mistakes. Who knows, maybe Bush will apologize someday for getting 1700 Americans killed and 13,000 maimed in a war over something that never even existed.
Then again, maybe he's not quite the man Durbin is ...
Posted by John Boucher at June 21, 2005 11:18 PM
He still has not apologized. I have seen it twice and heard it several times. He did not say "Gitmo is not the Killing Fields, Gitmo is not the Gulag, it is not Auschwitz". He did not say "American soldiers are not torturers". He said it is the fault of dumb Americans that his comments were made into a big deal. "I apologize to those offended..." The problem lies with dumb Americans not Dick and his America hating supporters.
Posted by Rod Stanton at June 22, 2005 05:35 AM
good one waterboy. i guess bush can go on tv and say: "america, i'm sorry that the last president destroyed our intellegance agencies to the point that they could not give me accurate info on iraq. futhermore, i'm sorry that the rest of the world had the same info. i'd also like to apologize for all of the democrates who voted for this war based off of the info they saw that was given to me as well. and lastly, i'm sorry that i ousted you liberals favorite person in the world from his fantasy funland operation that was iraq. my bad!"
Posted by Falgore at June 22, 2005 06:51 AM
What? No apology for liberating millions of people from sadistic despots?
Posted by MJohnson
at June 22, 2005 08:51 AM
Falgore, You really need to pull your head out of your ass.
1. Democrats did vote to authorize force, but this doesn't excuse Bush who pushed for the resolution and ordered the war.
2. Hmm. Seems to me we had a GOP congress for 6 of 8 Clinton years. If you have issues with the amount of $$$ spent on intelligence, blame them as well. 3. The rest of the world may have had the same info, but again, it wasn't the rest of the world that pushed us into war. It was Bush. I thought you connies were all about "personal responsibility". Why do you blame everyone but Bush for this war, even though he is the person most responsible for it?
Posted by Herbert92X at June 22, 2005 08:52 AM
There's a difference between apologizing and passing the blame onto those who were offended, which is not an apology.
To be more clear, I do not want an apology from the man. He spoke very clearly as to how he felt and he spoke his truth on what he thinks. The fact that he was 100% wrong does not warrant an apology.....it warrants him being removed by the voters at the next election.
....but if you ARE gonna apologize....something like THIS is supposed to happen:
1) Identify what you did/said that was wrong.
2) Acknowledge that you know it was wrong to do/say it.
3) Specifically say "I'm sorry for what I did/said"
You don't pass it off on the listeners that were offended....you say you're sorry and move on.
Why is it there's a one-track mind? Sorry to burst y'alls bubbles, but this has nothing bto do with Bush.
Posted by Sarge
at June 22, 2005 09:04 AM
1) Identify what you did/said that was wrong.
2) Acknowledge that you know it was wrong to do/say it.
3) Specifically say "I'm sorry for what I did/said"
Sarge, are you going to hold the Bush administration to the same standard regarding how they portrayed the Iraqi threat before the war?
Posted by Tom Shipley
at June 22, 2005 09:28 AM
Hey Tommy Boy,
would you accept an apology from Bush or other Republican if he said, "For those of you who think my actions were wrong, I apologize."
You wouldn't.
You would only accept, "My actions were wrong, I apologize."
Posted by Epoch at June 22, 2005 09:31 AM
He said they were poor analogies and the he apologizes to those who were offended by them.
And he cried. What, you guys want him to get on his knees as well?
Posted by Tom Shipley
at June 22, 2005 09:42 AM
Tom....this has nothing to do with me or Bush.
Posted by Sarge at June 22, 2005 10:06 AM
Everything has to do with Bush.
The assassination of Kennedy? That 3rd gunner on the grassy knoll? Duh! It was Cheney.
And the infamous Empiror Nero who fiddled while Rome burned in flames? That was actually Bush himself.
Oh, oh, I know, you're going to say "But that happened 2000 years ago, Bush wasn't even born!"
But you see, Bush is really a vampire. He's been alive for over 4000 years, he just changes his name every 60 or so years and assumes a new persona. He IS Vlad 'The Impaler' Tepes, or as you might know him, Vlad Draculia.
Posted by MJohnson
at June 22, 2005 10:25 AM
Haven't you ever wondered why Bush is against stem cell research? Duh! He doesn't want the fetuses being used for scientific research because he eats them! He sucks the life essence out of them.
Stem cell research cuts into his undead food supply.
Posted by MJohnson
at June 22, 2005 10:28 AM
Tom, Don't you understand? It is not an apology to say "if" someone was offended, then I am sorry. Sarge has it down. Please reread his 9:04 post and TRY to really comprehend it. Oh, and his crying? What a wuss. Typical lib.
Posted by Lisa
at June 22, 2005 11:00 AM
Durbin shouldnt have even said that.
Face we should not be chaning guys to floors for days and forcing them to sleep in their filth.
Boo fucking hoo to however wants an apology.
Posted by Um Yeah
at June 22, 2005 11:07 AM
"Boo fucking hoo to however wants an apology". Well, um yeah, that would be the American military, and their families, for starters. Oh, but being a lib, I am sure you "support" the troops, don't you?
Posted by Lisa
at June 22, 2005 11:20 AM
that would be the American military, and their families, for starters.
Why would they get upset for something others did? We should not be doing things we have been doing, its helping no one.
Posted by Um Yeah
at June 22, 2005 11:21 AM
herbert, you and the rest of you libs don't get it. you just don't get it. there is a HUGE difference with lying and being wrong. and yes i totally support the war, and still do. as a matter of fact so does one of my family members who just got back from there. so do his soldier buddies. they know and have seen way more than you.
you keep trying that bush lied crap until it sticks. hasn't yet, but keep trying.
Posted by Falgore at June 22, 2005 12:42 PM
The Troops being prosecuted by the military need an apology from Bush as well as a pardon for following his and Rumsfeld's orders.
I Durbin's words were so unflattering to the troops; why is the military still prosecuting the troops?
Durbin's words were directed toward the Administration which permitted those abuses and truth hurts. When you hurt you scream and Republicans scream louder than anyone else.
Republicans calling Democrats Nazis, Un-Christian, Anti-Christian and against people of faith is a direct insult of many good Christian Democrats who work for the people of their states in spite of their personal Religous Convictions.
Durbin's words were not directed at any one person but a condemnation of the Administration who authorized those abuses.
Right he is.
Posted by Donald at June 22, 2005 01:12 PM
I agree 100%: This is one of the most non-apology apologies I have ever seen in my life. I posted this while it was still breaking and hadn't heard the whole non-apology. But do you notice that commie lib Democrats ALWAYS deliver the weasel-ass non apologies instead of actually apologizing? Here's the template: Deliver a weasel-ass non-apology apology, whine while doing so, it also always helps to shed a few crocodile tears, or even actually cry if you are a good enough actor. Then it always helps to have a "respected" Republican such as McCain say that the weasel-ass non-apology is good enough to put the whole sordid thing behind us.
Posted by Steve
at June 22, 2005 01:25 PM
....thus we should compare our soldiers to Nazi death camp guards that killed millions, Soviet Gulag guards that enslaved and killed hundreds of thousands, Pol Pot's henchmen that pretty much murdered everyone they wanted....sometimes using kids to kill their parents? Good logic train you got thereUY.
My God.....the nuts just keep on coming. Hey Donald....got a shred of proof that the soldiers on trial for what happened at ABU GRAIB (read...NOT Gitmo, which Durbin was talking about) were following orders from Rumsfeld or Bush or their supervising officers or battalion comanderws or brigade commanders or division commanders? ONE SHRED? Didn't think so.
Durbin's words weren't "unflattering" to the troops, they were downright disrespectful and the absolute wrong comparisons to use.....and no, he was talking about the troops and what the FBI report said happened, not Bush et al, so bark up another tree.......and baseless accusations will get you nowhere here...go back to the DU with 'em.
Posted by Sarge
at June 22, 2005 01:33 PM
so do his soldier buddies.
Really?
All the ones I know and converse with would rather be home.
there is a HUGE difference with lying and being wrong.
So W and crew just wander around? They had no fucking clue about the false intel they were pushing?
Who are you trying to kid?
Marge you honestly think they did it on their own?
Or contrary to the wishes of those in charge?
If so you are more gullible than I thought.
Posted by Um Yeah
at June 22, 2005 01:38 PM
all the ones you know and converse with would rather be home.
no shit uy. but do they tell you that they know what they're doing over there? and how proud they are doing it? way to twist words...again.
here's a question: if you believe bush "lied" about iraq, and the rest of the world for that matter, then isn't it easy to believe that saddam had wmd's and pushed them off to syria, a-q, other terrorists?
plus, please stop talking about the number of soldiers who have died. you libs don't care about them. not one bit, and you know it. it's disgusting. you use them to support your hatred for bush. you don't care about the military, or the strength of the u.s.
Posted by Falgore at June 22, 2005 02:03 PM
All the ones I know and converse with would rather be home.
...and all of my cousins that have been there, are ther, or are there for the second time want to stay and do their job....got a point?
So W and crew just wander around? They had no fucking clue about the false intel they were pushing?
Dipshit....even the intelligence agencies were clueless as to how wrong their intel was (concerning only what we've found since we took the country by force...nobody can say what was there the week before).
Who are you trying to kid?
Got anything that says otherwise....or is it your anti-Republican based speculation?
Marge you honestly think they did it on their own?
"They" who? "It" what? Stop being so cryptic. If you're referring to Abu Graib, thus far there's no evidence that says anything other than those that mistreated their prisoners were acting alone. I go with the eivdence put out there...not anti-Republican speculations.
Posted by Sarge
at June 22, 2005 02:20 PM
Sarge
Do you honestly think W and company did not grasp the shit they were shoveling?
The evidence shown was debunked.
What the hell do you think the controversy was about?
Posted by Um Yeah
at June 22, 2005 02:38 PM
Do you honestly think W and company did not grasp the shit they were shoveling?
No, what I honestly believe is that you've got nothing but a bunch of juvenile speculations that amount to nothing without further evidence that says the opposite. I mean...2 Congressional reports said the opposite of you, but you know better don't you? Barring any ad hominems you can muster....Do you honestly think you really know what goes on in the head of the POTUS? In the meetings with the POTUS and his cabinet? With ANYTHING having to do with intelligence reports AT THE TIME? Only in your bizzaro world.
Posted by Sarge
at June 22, 2005 03:09 PM
.Do you honestly think you really know what goes on in the head of the POTUS?
Well I have listened to his speeched, so yeah I can see all the bullshit he tried to pass off.
Posted by Um Yeah
at June 22, 2005 04:17 PM
I think the man meant it when he made that tearful apology yesterday. I mean when Senator Durbin stopped for a moment and looked back on what he actually had said, he knew he had gone and flat screwed up. If I was him I think I would have shed a tear or two too! He was voted in... He can sure be voted out!!!! (That thought my friend will make most any man cry...)
Posted by AubreyJ
at June 22, 2005 05:31 PM
"He can sure be voted out!!!"
Meh. Not really. There's too many dead people in Chicago.
You know what they say. You can be a republican all your life, but when you die you're a democrat forever.
Posted by MJohnson
at June 23, 2005 04:23 PM
Who are "they"?
Posted by Um Yeah
at June 25, 2005 12:03 PM
In fact he did not apologize. He again said that Americans are dumb and deserve to die.
Posted by Jo macDougal at June 25, 2005 05:28 PM
"They" are those that "say"....idiot.
Posted by Sarge
at June 25, 2005 05:37 PM
"They" are those that "say"
No shit knuckle dragger. But who is "they". Who says that shit.
Posted by Um Yeah
at June 25, 2005 07:49 PM
Who says that shit
The ones that say that shit.
Posted by Sarge
at June 26, 2005 11:51 AM
The ones that say that shit.
So im going with either Freeptards, or more figments of your imagination.
Posted by Um Yeah
at June 26, 2005 12:56 PM
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