Give it up with the labels already!! Hate crime and hate has no association with anything but hate itself.

BTY, did the tagger sign there work "Made in the USA or Made in China?

The problem with you, Aaron, is that you see the world as either conservative or liberal. Because some identified person spray paints "kill bush," you lambast the entire democratic party/liberals as supportive of such an act. doesn't it get old pulling absolute bullshit out of your ass. It's getting rather pathetic, actually.

For once I have to (partially at least) agree with the resident leftists here.

I don't condemn acts like this as part of some liberal agenda. This was probably just done by a complete idiot punk who thought it was funny.

What burns my ass is that if someone had painted some stupid crap like "Hillary Clinton is the Anti-Christ!!" it would have been highlighted on CNN and been a talking point about "Conservative hate" all over the liberal talk shows. I'm not saying this should be given that much attention (the opposite in fact: it's a local law enforcement matter, end of story) but the silence on the left for acts that would draw screaming outrage had they been committed against a liberal instead of a conservative is deafening.

you want to preach about "tolerance" when you are so incredibly willing to put the blame on liberals? it was a swastika- that in and of itself shows that this was no "tolerant" act by any means, nor does it prove that the person was liberal OR conservative. extremism, whether it is to the far left or far right (and should I bother pointing out that the nazis are in the far-right category?), is no indication of an "agenda" by either side. the world is not ALWAYS liberal or conservative, so get over it.

OK do I take this seriously.

Well I'm not sure I think the graffiti artist can be seen as a liberal. A quick look at the evidence - swastika's really not known to be a liberal symbol, in fact strongly associated with the German Nazi party a notoriously non liberal organisation. The words "Kill Bush" well the only policy I can see here is perhaps a positive feeling for some sort of capital punishment - again a more conservative policy than a liberal policy.

I think you underestimate Bush. I believe that it's just possible that Bush is hated enough by people of all types and this one seems to be a bit of a right wing nut.

A dedicated liberal is more likely to have put a flower and the slogan "Let's put Bush on welfare" surely (probably using environmentally friendly paint).

If this or someone putting a sign up saying "Hilary Clinton is the anti-Christ" is worthy of anyone's time nationally you have far too much time on your hands over there. Swastika's are offensive, and provocatively shocking, but you've got more than 300 million people in your country surely you have to do something a bit more imaginative to actually grasp the media attention - it can't just be one of the 300 million who thinks I want to be on telly.

When someone tattoos "Kill Bush" and a swastika on their forehead I might raise an eyebrow until then you've just found a racist arsehole.

Now if you'll excuse me while you think this is news-worthy we have a general election over here.

The use of the swastika in conjunction with "kill Bush" (did you miss that part sara?) in this case was to show this vandalist's roots....the anti-war movement among the youth as foistered by the IAC and ANSWER on college and highschool campuses. This sort of vandalism goes on all the time near the universities in Boston (mostly Northeastern and BU)......and yes, they are LIBERALS....but not all liberals are this childish.

....but that's right Sara....feel free to incorrectly equate the Nazi party with the current American right-wing, even though they were socialists, 10 of their 25 point program involved the "right" to work and other labor points, and th eprogram called for the institution of profit sharing, confiscation of war profits, prosecution of userers and profiteers, nationalization of trusts, communalization of department stores, extension of the old-age pension system, creation of a national education program of all classes, prohibition of child labor, and an end to the dominance of investment capital. Yep, that sure sounds EXACTLY like the current right-wing of the US....especially Bush.

...and Brit, it's not the right-wing nuts that are running around equating Bush with Hitler and calling for his assassination. It's the left-wing nuts that attend their local protests that do this. Those that paint a swastika over the star-field on a US flag and hold signs that say "kill Bush"...you know, protest weenies like this and this and idiots like those that come up with stuff like this and this. Clearly, they're conservative groups and people.....riiiiiiight.

I agree with you Brit, that this isn't worthy of national attention in my book (unless the local law enforcement investigation uncovers a more serious threat of course). However, I disagree with this statement:

swastika's really not known to be a liberal symbol, in fact strongly associated with the German Nazi party a notoriously non liberal organisation (emphasis mine)

The Nazi party were national socialists.

An exerpt from the 25 point plan of the German National Socialists Party (NAZI) written by their party leader, Adolph Hitler, put forth on 2-25-1920.

9. All citizens of the State shall be equal as regards rights and duties.

10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. The activities of the individual may not clash with the interests of the whole, but must proceed within the frame of the community and be for the general good.

Therefore we demand:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in life and property, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as a crime against the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits whether in assets or material.

13. We demand the nationalization of businesses which have been organized into cartels.

14. We demand that all the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.

15. We demand extensive development of provision for old age.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle-class, the immediate communalization of department stores which will be rented cheaply to small businessmen, and that preference shall be given to small businessmen for provision of supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand a land reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to confiscate from the owners without compensation any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

I'm not saying that liberals are Nazi's (I'll leave idiotic comparisons like that to the moonbats on the left) but those manifesto points are a hell of a lot closer to standard leftist policy than that of conservatives.

Smack....but the Nazis were clearly right-wingers.....just like the current right-wingers in America....especially all of us far-right-wing extremists here. We're all exactly like the Nazis, and our elected leader is the equivelant of Hitler.

The Nazi party were national socialists.

They werent particularily socialist.

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The USSR was Republican.

And on cue, Um Yeah steps off the short bus and squeezes .

Is there anything in the Communist Manifesto that resembles Republican policy? No. (At least not anything that isn't the product of liberal delusion and/or the drek agi-trolls like Um Yeah spout).

Is there anything in the Nazi party mainfesto that resembles modern liberal policy? Quite a goddamn bit.

Hitler wasn't a born again christian cowboy, he was a vegetarian socialist.

But by all means, keep chanting "Bush is Hitler!!" and acting like baboons on LSD at your protests. Every time a hippy strips naked and craps in the street to protest us "Evil Fascists" on the right, we gain more seats in congress.

The King of "I don't know anything about the Nazis...but they're clearly the same as the Republicans of the United States" is now gonna say the MOST stupid thing of the day? That being that the COMMUNIST PARTY of the former Soviet Union were REPUBLICANS!!!! (and as evidence for this yoiu're gonna call those COMMUNISTS republicans because the name of their former country had the word "Republics" in it). Do you even know what a "Republic" is? Did you happen to see the word right before "Republics"?...and simply saying "they weren't particularly socialist" doesn't fly when their 25 point program listed mostly socialist ideals.....but whatever YOU say goes without question.

You're clearly over the deep end concerning the former USSR and you should file a lawsuit to get your community college tuition reimbursed for misinforming you to this extent.

All I know is that the Authoritarianism and slavish devotion of most modern right wingers is closer to Communism then tto classic conservatism.

Then there was the book bannings etc. supported by an elected Republican official I posted a day or so ago.

BTW just a quick aside.

I have watched you guys try to blame Democrats for various things the past few weeks.

Even though they are out of power you will still try to pin the failures of your ideology on them, very much like Hitler blaming all of Germanys problems on some Jewish Bogeyman.

In 1932, Mussolini declared in The Doctrine of Fascism:

... Fascism [is] the complete opposite of... Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of the history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production....

Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society....

If you some reading, in fact any at all you come to the conclusion that yes Mussolini and Hitler used some faux socialist talking points but it meant diddly.

The problem comes from the Ultra Nationalism the hate and the censorship. ... "The maxim that society exists only for the well-being and freedom of the individuals composing it does not seem to be in conformity with nature's plans.... If classical liberalism spells individualism," Mussolini continued, "Fascism spells government."

--Benito Mussolini, public domain,

I didn't read all the posts, so I apologize if someone mentioned this before (which they probably did). Nazis and particularly Nazis in America today are right-wingers. I'm sure there are plenty of Nazis who hate Bush for any number of reasons -- his immigration policy for one.

Now, the fact that there's a swastika next to the "kill bush" would lead a reasonable person to think it was neo-nazi's who sprayed it there.

I used the word pathetic in describing aaron taking this instance to give it to liberals because if one is going to associate this act with liberals or conservatives, the logical connection would be toward conservatives -- but even making that assumption is unfair and stupid, in my opinion. If a neonazi does something, I'm not going to take to task republicans and the conservative movement. That's just stupid.

This thread just shows that Aaron is not about locating the truth, but intent on bashing liberals. I can't really respect someone like that (at least their writing). That's why I don't like Coulter or Limbaugh. And before you bring up O'Reilly, he doesn't generalize all conservatives, he even has republicans on his show and broadcasts live from Republican conventions. G. Gordon Liddy is one of his good friends. He doens't bash the conservative movement, but some of their members and actions.

after we decide which party is most like the Nazis, can we fight over which is the party of pedophiles?

can we fight over which is the party of pedophiles?

Republicans, no contest.

Oviously, when you get your wikipedia mind thinking straight instead of feeding your #2 obsession, you'll see that your "thoughts" on fascism are incorrect when aligning them with the current American right-wing BECAUSE fascism NEEDS a centralized autocratic government(nope) headed by a dictatorial leader(nope), severe economic and social regimentation(definately nope), and forcible suppression of opposition (most certainly nope)......and NONE of that has anything to do with the current American right-wing.......but keep those obsessions feeding on what's left of your brain.

Tom....it would be nice and easy to just lay this on neo-Nazis, but it's the current liberal protestors (as I've clearly shown) that use the swastika (BECAUSE THEY CLAIM THAT BUSH IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS HITLER) and anything resembling "kill Bush" (BECAUSE THEY'RE IMMATURE ASSHOLES THAT DON'T KNOW IT'S A BORDERLINE FELONY TO ADVOCATE THE ASSASSINATION OF THE POTUS) together........but I know it's just easier to think of those right-wing Nazis.

matt....clearly, the Republicans are the party of Klansmen, Nazis, Fascists, pedophiles, rapists, sodomists....got any more? When someone registers as a Republican, they get taught how dto do all those things. It's in the manual.

and NONE of that has anything to do with the current American right-wing..

10-15 years ago maybe. But now you guys just keep getting worse and worse.

Yeah, yeah, yeah...blah, blah, obsession #2.

If someone stands with conservative protesters, holding a sign that is clearly against what the platform of the political right stands for (ie. more jobs for the middle class) does that make them a conservative? Hell no!!

Put a lid on the labels, because hatred and bigotry doesn't have a political party affiliation, at least from the standpoint stated by the party.

To think about spray painting a swastika (I can't imagine myself being that angry) is one point, to actually do it is another.

If Tom Delay smokes a Cuban cigar, what message does that send to his party? Does he need a new label?

PS. If you really need to label the tagger, lets come up with one here and now.

Hell yeah Russ! You tell Um Yeah!

Hell yeah Russ! You tell Um Yeah!

Wha?

Ill freely admit that many if not most Republicans are Nazis all im saying is that you seem to be going down that road on a (Insert relatively fast moving yet comical item).

Thats not a rhetorical flourish or bullshit, Republicans have more or less raised an army of mindless drones.

if not most Republicans are *NOT* Nazis

:EDIT:

Tell me it's not true............Vote for Bush or repent the pastor told em'. Next thing ya' know they will be drinking the kool-aid.

Yesterday, on the National Day of Prayer, we learned that the East Waynesville Baptist Church in North Carolina essentially kicked out its Democratic members. Nine members were "excommunicated" and 40 other members of the 405 member church resigned in protest.

PS. The pastor said it wasn't politically motivated. Maybe they already drank the kool-aid?

"" A one-star Army Reserve general became the first high-level military officer punished in the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal on Thursday when President Bush demoted her to the rank of colonel.

Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski was disciplined after Army leaders deemed her job performance "seriously lacking" and accused her of concealing a past shoplifting arrest.""

Imagine the gall of this woman, claiming she is being used as a "SCAPEGOAT!"

It's a good thing for Ms. Martha that "W" wasn't given the liberty of deciding her punishment.

Speaking of tolerance or the lack thereof, how bout this story?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-05-07-church-politics_x.htm

Now, if I were to act like Aaron, I'd write a screed condeming republicans as intolerant facists who rule, poorly in many cases, with a "my way or the highway" mindset who aren't above changing congressional rules to help suppress the minority, who change ethics laws to protect their own and who kick those with different political views out of their churches.

I could easily make that generalization from this story, but personally, I think this pastor is just an idiot.

UY just can't let go of the obsessoi, I see. That's right UY, everyone that thinks differently that YOU are all Nazis, Fascists, and Klansmen. Do you understand how idiotic yoiur obsession is yet?

That's right UY, everyone that thinks differently that YOU are all Nazis, Fascists, and Klansmen

I never said that, however you and people like you are definite wannabe brownshirts. Everything is the fault of those evil Libruls or that Librul Media or they just hate America.

No rationality no thought just bleet bleet they hate America and must be removed or crushed.

Yep, that's right......keep on feeding those obsessions of yours. Everyone that thinks differently form you is a Nazi, Fascist, Klansman.....ALL of us. You can keep changing what you wanna obsess about, but it's all the same (yeah, I know what the term "brownshirt" means asswipe).....and I've never advocated for the removal or crushing of those I disagree with...but don't let THAT stop you from your pathological lying either.

Obsess away little obsessed child....

I've never advocated for the removal or crushing of those I disagree with...but don't let THAT stop you from your pathological lying either.

I really dont if you have said those exact words, all I know is that you routinely call people anti american for no good reason and that you hang with people that really do wish the destruction of the opposition.

You have no idea who I "hang with"....nice figment of your imagination....again.....and I don't "routinely" call "people" or ANYONE BUT ANTI-AMERICAN TIMMY, anti-American....and YOU only ONCE, when you said something that wasn't a difference in ideas, but anti-American (that I don't recall and aren't gonna waste my time looking up).....and I didn't call YOU anti-American, I said that what you SAID was anti-American......however, timmy is AN anti-American right down to his core. Yet, you never really dealt with your lie about me, except for adding another on top of it. I HAVE NOT, DO NOT, AND WILL NOT ADVOCATED FOR THE REMOVAL OR CRUSHING OR STIFLING OR SHITTIN-UP OR "ANY OTHER WORD" OF THOSE I DISAGREE WITH.....EVER....and giving me "guilt by association" is just very telling of the LIE, that you have maligned me with.

...but nice try with yet another lie about me and what I say, maybe you're still thinking the "other" Sarge from some other site that you used to put words I didn't say into my mouth.

You have no idea who I "hang with"...

Well you are definite Freeper, and you hang here and Aaron seems to believe that the world peace will come with the elimination of Liberals.

So yes I was right again.

but anti-American (that I don't recall and aren't gonna waste my time looking up)

I kinda sorta remember all I know is that you were wrong.

BTW Sarge in case you never noticed you really only have one tactic, and its a crappy one.

You say something to the effect of "Well I never...." in the context of something Conservatives do.

Like thats supposed to mean no Conservative does or something?

There was the time when you were like "I never saw an anti Clinton book when he was president".

I still chuckle over that one.

Nope....YOU DO NOT KNOW WHO I HANG WITH AND NEVER WILL BECAUSE IT'S NOT YOU THAT I HANG WITH....there is a world outside of the net, you know. Of COURSE I was wrong in your mind (everyone's wrong when UY speaks)....and no, you don't remember.

Funny....I NEVER saw an anti-Clinton book when WJC was POTUS...and that's a fact.....I was too busy defending your freedoms during those years to pay attention to petty politics, let alone childish pricks like you.

You are wrong about me every time you open your mind to a thought about me......and YOUR #1 tactic is to fulfill your 4 obsessions....through nothing but lies, of course......and EVERYONE SEES IT.

..YOU DO NOT KNOW WHO I HANG WITH AND NEVER WILL BECAUSE IT'S NOT YOU THAT I HANG WITH..

Um I thought you marched with Aaron and were buddy buddy with sundry freeptard. do you deny that?

I deny nothing....but I haven't "marched" with ANYONE in over a year now....and haven't seen Aaron in over 6 months....wouldn't exactly call that "hanging" with him. Got another lame non-point? ....or are you gonna stick with the illogical "guilt by association" tactic some more? ...the "I have nothing to say" tactic?

but I haven't "marched" with ANYONE in over a year now....and haven't seen Aaron in over 6 months....wouldn't exactly call that "hanging" with him.

I would.

Well, that's because you only get out once a year, so that would be "hanging out" in your pathetic world....most of those I "hang out" with are Massaachusetts liberals.

so that would be "hanging out"

Yeah Sarge you only marched banners unfurled with them, just passing through right?