Why should the world approve of W's hypocrisy?

He took us to war on phony charges and now 1600 American soldiers are dead and over 100,000 Iraqis. So much for the "culture of life'....

Who can blame them for booing. Bush has done so much to make life miserable for millions of people around the world.

don't you get it?

There is a time and place for everything. At the Pope's funeral, that was neither the time, nor the place.

Apparently, y'all didn't get the jist of the point of the blog. If Catholics can turn a cheek to the pedophile priest scandal in the name of forgiveness, the hypocrisy of booing someone cuz they disagree, is just not proper. Sure, they have the right to, but even the Pope would have to condemn such action.

it's not about approving of his 'hypocrisy' as you put it, Dellie, it's about the proper venue for dissent.

be that as it may, just remember that Italy has troops in Iraq, as well as scores of other countries. Did they boo at Berlusconi?

Okay....now that the funeral is over and the Pope is buried......is it okay to boo now????????

One-----Two-----Three------BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Sparr me the righteousness. Bush is seen as the 'devil' in they eyes of most global citizens. Why would they want his presence at something so sacred to them? It could only sully the event.

interesting notion... that there is a 'proper venue for dissent.' dissent is spontaneous very often. when the people at the funeral - the majority of them italians, saw president bush's face, they let out an emotion. it was not planned. that emotion was one of disapproval because bush went against the pope and invaded a country based on lies and questionable intelligence, and in so doing has killed reportedly over 100,000 innocent iraqis. he has caused pain and suffering beyond imagination. this is totally against catholicism and christ. why not boo the man who is so against the pope and christ at the pope's funeral? furthermore, remember what happened recently with the italian special service member getting killed by americans when they were saving one of their journalists.

come now - don't you see the error of bush's ways?

Listen Aaron you ignorant person, you know nothing of the Poep or nothing of GOD, Bush the low life was the one that was disrespecting the Pope he told him not to invade Iraq. Low life Bush does not care he thinks he is acting in a movie you ignorant people that follow him is his audience. You know of nothing you should not speak until you have full knowledgment of the truth. You need to keep your big ignorant mouth shut. You have no rights to give your opinion because you have proven yourself of unworthiness.

The people had much respect for the Pope as they let Bush walk out of there alive.

Alison Shunstrom

Bush is a criminal. They were actually being nice to him by reacting this way. He deserves a lot worse!

You people are such slaves, you reval in the slavery that Iraqi people suffered and count your selves FRee.

What a bunch of bagless Ges Slaven, FReedom ain't FRee it has to be fought for every day. I hope I am dead and don't witness you licking the chains of your masters.

Bill

I think it is very telling in several ways:

1) There is no event that can close our eyes to the horrors this man represents, indeed, has implemented

2) Many catholics put Bush where he is just because of his stand on abortion. These one issue voters refused to see the damage this man is capable of. In effect, they may as well be booing themselves.

3) The church HAS turned a blind eye to pedophile priests. At the same time many congregations are told outright to "vote to end abortion" and are made to feel ashamed and sinful for voting pro choice. This is the height of self righteousness and hypocracy

Booing is the most polite thing I can think of in that evil mans presence

the ultimate irony here is that you all seem to have a beef with President Bush and condone the inappropriate actions of the funeral viewers, yet, you have no problem with President Clinton's attendence, an adulterer in the least, who also questioned the pope's legacy.

You want to talk about hypocrisy, look in the mirror. You don't like Bush because of the war in Iraq--which is fine, feel free to. But to prance around like Clinton was some saint, you all got to get real. History will be the ultimate judge--not you.

The Holy Father would've disapproved, people.

I say that as a Roman Catholic, one who loved this pope dearly and I also support President Bush wholeheartedly.

Maybe I'm missing something, but the idea of the Holy Father (or most religious-of many faiths) supporting ANY war is ludicrous. John Paul was a gentle man, and his opposition to this didn't surprise me in the least.

As any Roman Catholic knows, he was not speaking "ex cathedra" in this matter, which means, as a believing Roman Catholic knows, his opinion is therefore fallible. He is human after all. I supported the decision to go to war, I still support it.

I might want to add to some of the people posting here to grow up.

When Bush starts sending you people to internment camps or exhibiting real dictatorial behavior, boo to your hearts content.

In the meantime, STFU and quite behaving like petty spoilt children.

As for the above three posts. I have never seen people so slavishly devoted as people like Little Bill and assorted FReeptards are devoted to Dumbya.

You guys worship him like the Golden Calf.

But to prance around like Clinton was some saint,

Talk about an argument no one made you disingenious queef.

Chill Out! There was NO booing. The Catholic mourners behaved well. Once again, in regards to President Bush, the Associated Press, heard booing that nobody else heard or saw - Phantom Booing.

I wasn't there, but people everywhere in the world start booing when this MF is showing up, so it is pretty logical it DID happen!! Bush is one the biggest disasters in US history!!

Neddy tells it. Most of the blogs I have been reading about this call it a non-event and possibly yet another piece of made up rubbish by the AP (Oooh, didn't they claim people booed Clinton at a Bush rally only to be found out...)

I do note however the comments from some - not very Christian, people!

Heather, the pope encouraged Clinton to intervene in Kosovo. He was not against all war.

And as far as the booing goes, it was inappropriate, but Bush is really not like around the world, especially in europe. I can't say I'm surprised that some in the crowd booed him.

For you to say it's a "disgrace" and "just when you can almost sympathize with the mourners..." is petty and self-centered. Get over it.

Let's see.....the problem is that, IF this report is true, these scumbags used the funeral of the pope to express their feelings on something unrelated to the pope dying AND to the pope's funeral. Of course, I'm not surprised because these immature asses are lacking in "respect".....and as has been pointed out already, THIS WAS NOT THE VENUE TO SHOW YOUR DISPLEASURE FOR SOMEONE UNRELATED TO THE FUNERAL. Protest him at the airport or along the route....but NOT DURING THE FUNERAL.

....and the herrings fly. Lemme see....does the number 100,000 count ONLY civilians? Are insurgents included because they wear civilian clothes? Those that die of natural causes? ....or is it just a nice big number pulled right outta your ass? Then we've got the generic herring "Bush has done sooooo much all over the world to make the lives of millions....miserable"

Then we've got THIS gem: "Bush is seen as the 'devil' in they eyes of most global citizens." Really? Most of the billions in the world see Bush as the 'devil'? I'd be more inclined to say that most of the billions in the world don't even know who Bush is....but I'm glad you feel free enough to speak for most of the world.

...and THEN we have Alison's ad hominem rant in which people that think differently that Alison "have no rights to give [their] opinion" Welcome to the REAL America Alison, where we actually DO have "rights to give [our] opinion", even if you disagree with that opinion. Millions have died to preserve those rights.

Then the resident Euro-dick gives his opinion that Bush is a criminal.....really? A criminal? On what charge?

Tom...I'm not so sure that Kosovo was a "war"....more like a multi-national NATO "peacekeeping-mission" to stop crimes against humanity.....which the Pope COULDN'T be against.

....but all those that have beefs with Bush, A FUNERAL FOR THE HOLY FATHER IS NOT THE PLACE TO SHOW IT.......have some friggin' respect for the POPE for cripes sake......and BOOOOO Bush later. I'll draw an analogy: I was part of the wedding party in a Catholic wedding last year in which I had to do some ceremonially Catholic things that I really didn't understand, since I'm a non-thiest......and I went along with 'em because I have respect for the Church and my friends......AND THE SITUATION WAS WAS NOT ABOUT ME AND MY FEELINGS BECAUSE THIS WASN'T THE PLACE AND TIME FOR MY FEELINGS...but about my friend's love for his soon-to-be-wife and HIS religous faith. So I went up for the communion (did not take it) got blessed, gave my respect for the tabernacle AND WENT ON WITH MY NON-THIEST LIFE.

Those that let their personal feelings get involved in this funeral (IF IT HAPPENED) forgot that this was not about Bush, or THEIR feelings.....it was about RESPECTING THE POPE AND THE POPE'S LIFE.

If people booed, yes, they were out of line. The story says some in the crowd gathered outside booed. I don't know how many people were out there, but I imagine there were quite a few.

The fact that they weren't in church makes a big difference. As a catholic, I was raised to always be well behaved and show proper respect while in "god's house."

Outside, yes, it's out of line, but it's still outside as part of a large crowd.

To make a big deal out of this, to get angry over some people booing, is, i don't know Aaron, you say this is a disgrace? I don't think so. The only reason you think it's a disgrace is because it's Bush that they booed.

If this happened in the church, I'd say it's incredibly out of line and disrespectful. But the fact that it was some in a large crowd outside in a country that is strongly against the war in Iraq, i wasn't right, but I'm not surprised that it happened.

And Sarge, Kosovo may be hard to define, but it was military action that led to death. I'm sure the reasons you state are why the pope was for intervention, but I was responding to heather who says the pope must have been against all war, thus making his opposition of his war in iraq not a surprise. He was for the use of force under certain circumstances.

After four and a half years of listening to liberals whine like little pansies about Bush I could give a crap less if they mooned Bush.

Their opinions are irrelevant. If acting like spoiled children accomplished anything, leftist morons would rule the universe (I'm sure Um Yeah would have a cabinet position).

If one was going to complain about anything, I think it would be that the Church is having pedophile enabler Cardinal Law perform the funeral mass.

What in the hell is up with that? That man should be sitting in a jail cell somewhere.

I imagine Sarges Computer desk must be equipped with a tarp to protect from all the spittle.

The rage is actually palpable.

If it actually happened they shouldnt have done it, but lets just say it was just a few well then what do you expect out of thousands upon thousands?

The intensity of W's sucking is truly something to behold and thats some people react.

y. Lemme see....does the number 100,000 count ONLY civilians?

Im pretty sure, since we dont even bother to keep count at all of course the numbers may be a bit off.

Um Yeah, I don't always agree with Sarge, but give him credit for his great example of putting aside his personal feelings for the respect of others at an important time for them. I didn't "feel the rage".

On another note, I recently heard a Bishop,can't recall the name, talking about the Pope's opposition to the war in Iraq. He said that the Pope felt that it wouldn't look well for the leader of the Catholic faith to come out saying he supported a war against a muslim country, that it would look like Catholics against muslims. This was one of the reasons.

I didn't "feel the rage".

You do know that typing in all CAPS is the net equivalent of shouting?

Sarge, I agree with your analogy and your choice was (in my opinion) correct.

IF, there was a Booooo, then what more appropriate a time, when the most disliked US president in history shows up to show respect for for one of the most respected Popes in history. If he truly respected the Pope "W" would have taken note.

Lisa, If you are going to tell the story about the Cardinal, do him justice and tell the whole story, (not just the one reason) as in his comments about just cause. The Pope disagreed with "Ws" reasonS for going to war.

you're all missing the point. Pope John Paul II was the leader of the catholic church. not the leader of a nation. i am a practicing roman catholic, with great respect and admiration for the Holy Father, but he should not be the one we turn to, to say how we should protect our nations secruity. if you agree or not with "W" he feels he is doing what is right for the country. i agree with him. and bush should not let the pope make that kind of decision. it's funny how the left takes ONE issue that bush and PJP2 disagreed on and make it out to be more than it is.

by the way, tim, you aren't an american. don't tell us who and who isn't the biggest disaster in US history. but if you want to know that title would go to jimmy carter. (if anyone brings us a noble piece prize, then they should be blocked from this blog) taking the silver would be your boy clinton.

oh yeah, saddam murdered, raped, and tortured millions of his own people. that's okay though. other iraqi's die when bush comes to save an entire nation and that's bad. you people on the left...ya just don't get it...

Sarge, I would like to clarify that I agree with your choices. It was your choice to go to the wedding and act in a manner that you believe is appropriate.

I probably wouldn't Boooooo anyone at a funeral that I chose to go to. Yes there is a time and place for comment that all may see as appropriate, and that is each individuals choice.

The question remains; "did anyone boo Bush?"

This wasn't a private event, and I find it difficult to believe that anyone would not expect a reaction when "W" mug went up on the big screen.

oh yeah, saddam murdered, raped, and tortured millions of his own people.

And when has that ever bothered guys like Rumsfeld?

not the leader of a nation.

The Vatican IS a nation chief.

it's funny how the left takes ONE issue that bush and PJP2 disagreed on and make it out to be more than it is.

There was much more then that one issue, but you knew that right?

but if you want to know that title would go to jimmy carter. (if anyone brings us a noble piece prize, then they should be blocked from this blog) taking the silver would be your boy clinton.

Nobel? Thankfully the opinion of halfwits doesnt mean anything.

Which other news source is reporting this? The ONLY source I see is the AP. There are thousands of reporters there, wouldn't have somebody else heard a 'Boo' if it happened?

Falgore. You are exactly right. This was also stated by the Bishop, that the Pope acknowledged that a nation has the right to their own defense. Funny isn't it. If the President had taken his orders from the Pope, the Left would be having a hissy fit. The ACLU would be filing suit, and the MSM would be having a field day. See, we told you, Bush is religious nut!! But, no, they now use the slight divide of the Pope and the President as a tool to disparage him. Crazy.

No Um Yeah, I didn't feel it as rage. Just emphasis.

Lisa,

For me, making the point the JPII was against the Iraqi war is more an attempt to show that most every catholic has disagreements with the past pope on certain issues.

This goes back to the Schiavo posts where you said catholocism is what I "call" my religion because I thought Michael Schiavo had the right to remove the feeding tube from his wife, and thus disagreeing with the church's stance.

That really pissed me off. By doing that, you're trying to take a moral high ground that doesn't belong to you. I think I proved my point by showing you disagree with the church on the death penalty, and now I'm doing it again by showing how I agree with the pope on the Iraq war, while you disagree. I don't think it makes me a better catholic than you, but it shows that all catholics are going to disagree with the pope from time to time, but in doing so, I do not think it makes one "less" of a catholic" -- which you seemed to think about a month ago.

Go back tom and read my posts again. I didn't say that I disagreed with the Pope on the death penalty. You have not read enough about what the Pope actually said about the war. Sorry that it pissed you off to tell you the truth about the church's stand on Terri. There is nothing that I disagree with the Pope on. I cannot on good faith. I am divorced, and remarried. As yet I have not gone the "annulment" route as Kerry and others have. Therefore, I do not receive commmunion every Sunday at Mass. I abide by the rules of my church. I admit it irks me that Kerry supports abortion and civil unions for gays, both not allowed by his faith, yet he still goes to receive communion. But, ultimately, this will be to his detriment when he faces God. Check out the EWTN CAtholic website. Not some nutty fringe thing, just real Catholic stuff. Just because you or some other Catholic disagrees with a church doctrine on certain issues, doesn't give you the right to say that that means you can support these things and still be a Catholic in good standing. You have stated that you went through a Catholic education, well, what did you learn there? That you could differ from what the church teaches and still be a good Catholic? You can't. Sorry. You cannot pick and choose what suits you. That is why I defer to the church about the death penalty. I totally believe in my chosen religion. What say you?

So Lisa, you don't think the US should have invaded Iraq and you support the abolition of the death penalty?

I've always looked aspects of the church's dogma with a critical eye. Namely priests not being able to marry and women not allowed to be priests. I disagree with them on euthenasia and contraception.

While I do disagree with them, I'm using my own critical thinking that was formed through a catholic education. Because there are things I do not agree with the papacy on, does not, in my opinion change how religion affects my life or change my relationship with god. I firmly believe one cannot be a true believer without exercising their own free will and using their own critical thinking. Just following the teachings of the church does not make you a good catholic, in my view. Engaging them, understanding them, living them, wrestling with them will ultimately lead you to a better relationship with god. that's what i say.

Tom, Good luck with this one.

No Um Yeah, I didn't feel it as rage. Just emphasis.

Well then the problem is on your end, thats what the bold or italics tags are for.

You have not read enough about what the Pope actually said about the war.

I have, short answer him and the vatican were against it.

that the Pope acknowledged that a nation has the right to their own defense.

And what exactly would that have to do with Iraq. Preemptive is not the same as defensive.

They now use the slight divide of the Pope and the President as a tool to disparage him.

Slight?

You guys rail against anybody who helps the poor, pretty much the anithesis of what John Paul II and even Jesus were for.

So are you pro welfare lisa?

um yeah, lamest argument ever bro. bravo!

lamest argument ever bro.

Im not your bro scumbag.

The Catholic church teaches that there are times when the death penalty is appropriate. Look it up. As far as the war. well, that is a bit more problematic. BUT, everything that I have read on the matter says that the Pope was not totally oppossed to it. He just wanted to have a peaceful end if possible, as did we all. Tom, what I don't get is how you call yourself a Catholic, and you seem very adament on that, and yet feel free to be contrary to the basic dogma of your religion. I am glad that you do think about these things, but in the end, if you come up with a different notion[dogma] than the church teaches as the true faith, why do you think that that entitles you to be a good Catholic anyway? If you don't agree with your chosen faith, then you are not a true believer in said faith. Go and become a member of a religion that supports your beliefs. There are many out there. Stop trying to force the Catholic religion to adapt itself to your goals. It is not going to happen. Stop trying to say that your "critical thinking" was formed through your Catholic education. Putting the blame on that eh? Finally, wonderful, have a relationship with God. But, as you yourself said, LIVING the teachings of the church will lead you to a better relationship with God. And oh, just FOLLOWNG the teachings of the church DOES make you a good CAtholic.

As for the Death Penalty and the Iraq war put up or shut up, there is nothing I have seen or read that either justified the Death Penalty under any circumstances in JP II's Church or said he was anythign but against the Iraq war.

Something you half remembered from Freeperville does not count.

http://www.edwardsdavid.com/BushVideos/dailyshow_neocons_use_pope.mov

Lisa, I looked but couldn't find information that supports you claim re; the Catholic Church and the death penalty.

Lisa, it's funny, i've had the same conversation we are having with priests from my local parish and from the schools I've attended. None of them told me to go find another religion. I've studies plenty other religions, and none of them speak to me the way catholocism. The struggle between the corpreal and spiritual life is something that i wrestle with often. And if you really want to get down to it, no American who takes advantage of the capitialist system for accumulation of wealth is a good catholic. American life in many ways fundamentially runs contrary to the teachings of the catholic church.

Now, you're using these wedge political issues to say I shouldn't be a catholic. If you really want to get down to it, no American should really be catholic. Now, I don't believe that, but going by your logic, that's how it should be.

Tom, I honestly didn't mean that you shouldn't be a Catholic. I'm sure you are a good one. It's not easy though,for any of us! You have a point about wealth and our lifestyles. Just the other day I was listening to a priest talking about it. He said that though Jesus taught that seeking wealth wasn't what we should be about, if you have money, you need to help others with it. Not to "give it all away", and then become poor also, but to use it in compassionate ways. He said just being rich doesn't mean you will "go to Hell", but if you don't even think of helping others in some way, you are in trouble with God! So, whenever we give to a charity, or bail somebody out of their financial problems, or whatever, we are using money in a correct way in God's eyes.

I think this is a segue back to topic.

Getting your feet wet in flood water and having your house washed away by the flood are not the same thing. I think that's pretty much understood around the world. When someone in a position to provide assistance states; "I feel your pain" then walks away and does nothing other than show up for a photo op, the foundation for a "jolly good" BOOOOing had been laid.

Tom I commend your effort.

Lisa, you confuse me, and your logic along with all other religious conservatives that stand with George W. Bush. He, that would be the POTUS, is, or should I say; "acts like a self-centered arrogant ass." He is BOOed at many functions and apperances, such as MLKs memorial service, "photo Op."

I don't care where he goes, or what the tradition is. Bush should be booed everywhere, all the time, along with his political hit squads and mercenary commanders. They are all villains. The more benign members of their party who succumb to their Machiavellian threats to social status and family to tow the party line regardless of the people they represent (or even personal morality) deserve no less infamy for the lives they have affected or negligently murdered (see the laws for manslaugter; I don't feel like researching or citing legal code but you should know as well as I do what 3rd degree manslaughter is, otherwise you don't even qualify to argue here) by their abject acquiescence.

You do know that typing in all CAPS is the net equivalent of shouting?

REALLY? Did you intend to yell the word CAPS? As has been pointed out, but typically missed by you....I CAPITALIZE WHEN I WANT CERTAIN WORDS TO BE EMPHASIZED SO THAT DICKHEADS LIKE YOU WON'T "CONVENIENTLY" MISS THEM. ...but it doesn't surprise me that you would attribute FEEEEEEEEEEELINGS and EMOOOOOOOOTI0NS where none exist....just as you attribute words and thoughts where they don't exist.

Sorry, I didn't know there were asinine UY rules on the net....send the net police after me.

So...lemme get this straight....as usual, INSTEAD OF DEALING WITH WHAT I SAID (shout it out with rage), you want to just address what you think are feelings? Oh yeah...I missed the part where you said "Im pretty sure" Well....that seals it...UY's PRETTY SURE SO IT MUST BE THE TRUTH (shout that out with rage).

As for the "BOOOS"....since I didn't watch any of the funeral or any of the coverage, I don't know much of the specific layout details of the funeral. I see that the alleged Booers were OUTSIDE (shout that word out) of St. Peter's Square....was the funeral IN (shout that word out with hatred) St. Peter's Square. Regardless....since the alleged Booers were among those mourning the death of the Holy Father....shame on them for doing so at THAT (shout that word out with love) time.

Did you intend to yell the word CAPS?

Yes.

Sorry, your simpleton UY rules don't apply to me.

Got anything intelligent to add on the subject or are you limited to one-liners, links without comments and adding emotions to other people's posts that don't belong in other people's posts?

your simpleton UY rules don't apply to me.

Excuse me? Is Sarge the wonder tard going to call me simple?

Its just one of the most widely known conventions on the net, I thought it was damn near universal but Sarge has special needs so ill let it slide.

Sarge you will get a real debate when you can carry on an honest conversation i.e. quit the lying and equivocating.

As usual....POINT TO A SINGLE LIE. Come on all you UY lovers out there...still standing by your NY freak? Help him find the lie.

....and as usual, you can't because you're nothing, you have nothing, and you will always have nothing.....nothing but bullshit, empty accusations, and dodging.

What a waste of life.

POINT TO A SINGLE LIE.

Ive done it so many times before, it never stuck to your sloping skull before, why would it now?